New Testament Church Proliferation Digest


Spreading the Gospel via House Churches


June, 2001 Vol 01 : 001
 
[New Testament Church Proliferation] Our dear Heavenly Father

[New Testament Church Proliferation] Introduction

Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Our dear Heavenly Father

Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Our dear Heavenly Father

[New Testament Church Proliferation] <admin> Welcome to NTchurch planter!

[New Testament Church Proliferation] Hi from the moderator

[New Testament Church Proliferation] Reproduction vs. Intimacy (fwd)

 

Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:42:52 -0400

From: David Anderson

Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Our dear Heavenly Father

Dear Heavenly Father,

We dedicate this new list to you and to your eternal Son, our Saviour. All power in heaven and earth is yours. Go before us therefore, guide us, and guard us.

Many discouragements hinder us each day, Lord. We long to see many receive you but there are so few it seems. Energize us by words and deeds in that great task of proclaiming salvation to all men, women, and children.

Bless these efforts lest we labor in vain. Bless those who are present and those who shall come. Bless brother Link as he facilitates.

In Jesus' name we pray, Amen and Amen!

David Anderson A father of 6 in Bristol, TN. Serving behind the scenes as list host. Working for UPS at night, driving a brown and gray rig. Wishing everyone God's best today as they follow the Lamb.

What's your own story? :-D


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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 13:12:06 -0700 From: "Weldon E. Pior"

Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Introduction

Brethren, Looking forward to sharing in this ministry to one another. Thanks to those who have taken the initiative and the oversight of this list.

A brief testimony and background.

My wife and I were raised in church and came to the Lord as children. Her parents were ministers planting churches most of their lives in Idaho, Minnesota, Kentucky and Indiana. My Great-grandparents were believers with many uncles and some aunts in the ministry. Some were church planters. My parents have always been leaders in the congregations of which they have been a part but are not in full-time ministry nor have felt called to that work. My brother and brother-in-law are in ministry.

My wife and I met at Bible College. We have been married thirty-three years. We have been in ministry since the second year of our marriage. We have four married children and seven grandchildren with two more expected in the next seven to eight months. All of our children are committed active Christians. Two desire to be in full-time ministry. The eldest grandchildren have accepted Jesus in their hearts.

We have pastored churches; led as an elder among twelve others in an "elder ruled" congregation which ministered to 5,000 per week in a large growing metropolitan area; worked in street ministry; given oversight to a Discipleship training center ministering to ex-addicts of which most were young people. We have been directors and teachers of a Christian Academy providing Christian education K-12th grade for over twelve years while leading the congregation of which we are a part. We have been here for 20 plus years. I am now beginning to travel ministering to church leaders and churches in the USA and other countries. I am the Secretary of a fellowship of ministers and churches whose goal is to aid in the building of relationships between ministries and churches world wide. We are working to strengthen individual ministries through teaching, networking with ministries which can meet needs others are facing, and personal relationships of mutual accountability. We have a vision of communicating the reality of our unity in Christ to building up the Body of Christ that we may reach the maturity described in Ephesians 4. I believe that can only come as believers learn to receive from one another the individual ministry given to others. We must recognize our need and the "Supply" that others have been given by the Grace of God for us. It can only come through them as we learn to receive it.

The church we lead is in a tourist community and a rural setting with one small town nearby (15,000 residents). The rest of the towns are less than a thousand which swell to several thousand each during the tourist season. The church size has fluctuated over the years due to our ministry. People come and go from the area due to the tourist aspect, the main industry aside from the tourism (fishing and logging) and we seem to minister to the them for a short time and they are gone. We tend to reach the new comers and the hurting who have come to the beach to escape their problems or life. We need to reach out to the community and build up the church here and reach people for Christ. Some of that ministry must fall to my son-in-law who leads in our absences. The Lord is pushing me out to travel and minister as has been my calling and vision for many years. Those doors are opening up to us more and more.

I have a command from the Lord to enter into the traveling ministry and it has been confirmed many times in various ways. I can only obey and trust Him to give the funds, open the doors and maintain our church base in this locality.

Blessings,

Weldon


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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:51:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Maluga

Subject: Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Our dear Heavenly Father

Tom Maluga A father of 3 in Chicago, IL, USA Serving as Senior Pastor of Uptown Baptist Church in the inner city of Chicago. Currently involved in 4 church starting efforts at various stages of development: 2 ethnically focused (Japanese and Bosnian), 1 multicultural, and 1 generational subculture(GenX-grunge).

Praying that God would use the connections facilitated by this list to foster a rapidly multiplying movement of new church starting to the end that many are brought into the kingdom and our Savior God is exalted in all the earth.


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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 21:25:21 -0500 From: Lloyd A Colston

Subject: Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Our dear Heavenly Father

On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:42:52 -0400 David Anderson writes:

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> What's your story? :-D

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Employed by the State during the day. During night and weekend, I am a mild-mannered emergency management director of a rural Oklahoma county (http://www.geocities.com/mccem), elder in the Lord's church in Pryor (http://www.southsidechristian.net), husband to the most wonderful wife in the world for 25 years, father to the most wonderful daughter in the world (17 years), and father to a wonderful, challenging son (18 years), small business owner (http:ld.net/?kc5fm, amateur radio operator (KC5FM), and Navy Military Affiliate Radio System member (NNN0KIC). Sometime during the night I seem to get sufficient sleep. :)

Let me know how more I can help.

Lloyd Colston, director Mayes County Emergency Management Pryor, OK USA Survival is not compulsory. http://www.geocities.com/mccem 877.263.0280 voicemail and fax


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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 14:46:05 +0700 From: "Link" Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] <admin> Welcome to NTchurch planter!

Welcome to the NTchurch planter List.

NTchurch planter stands for New Testament Church Planting.

1 Corinthians 3:6-8 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

'Church planting' is not mentioned in scripture but the body of Christ does have 'planters' whose work includes preaching and teaching to help new churches develop.

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This newsgroup is for discussion of ministry that involves the development of new local expressions of Christian 'ekklesia' in accordance with the teachings of the New Testament. 'Planters', 'waterers', and other believers just interested in church planting may participate. .

This list was established with four purposes in mind:

1. Discussion of practical issues related to church planting so that participants on the list can be educated and encouraged. 2. Discussion of Biblical doctrine, church history, and other topics related to church planting. 3. To provide a forum for miss'naries to network with others doing the same type of work. 4. To provide a forum where tent-makers can network.

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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 15:42:25 +0700 From: "Link"

Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Hi from the moderator

Thanks for signing up for the NTchurch planter list.

NTchurch planter stands for New Testament Church Planting.

1 Corinthians 3:6-8 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

'Church planting' is not mentioned in scripture, but the body of Christ does have 'planters' whose work includes preaching and teaching to help new churches develop.

I'm impressed with the people who have signed up: church planters, church planting coaches, Christian authors, miss'naries, and 'regular brethren' like myself who are interested in the topic of church planting

I believe this list can satisfy a real need in the body of Christ. Hopefully, experienced laborers can help those learning the ropes, and we can all encourage one another. This is a place for church planter'ers to network.

Introductions:

It may take a few days for the conversation on the list to warm up. We need to get to know each other first. Here is my brief introduction:

My name is Link Hudson. I'm an American Christian living in Indonesia. I work for a big foundation that owns English schools. They have 100,000 students in various cities. I work in the materials department writing and editing materials, make voice cassettes, and teach English at a college owned by the foundation I work for.

I've been married to a beautiful godly woman since December 1999. We don't have any kids yet. She has to finish her thesis before graduating from Bethel Bible college (affiliated with Church of God, Cleveland TN in America.) She's writing her thesis on house churches. She's studied miss'ology, but they label these degrees as 'theology.'

I've taught Sunday school here, led a cell group, and now am acting as the moderator of this group.

I also thought I've been interested in houses churches for about 3 years. I was reading the book _The Open Church_ and got excited about the idea of a simply-organized home church movement in Indonesia. (There is some of that kind of work going on among UPG's now, btw.)

I've noticed that when I looked for discussion groups for church planter on the web, I wasn't able to find any. I also thought about the growing home church movement in the home church. Since many home church's are independent, I thought it might be hard for those in home church's who wanted to do miss'ns work to coordinate with others. There also might not be much of an outlet for funds for miss'ns.

There are a number of home church church planters on this list, but there are also many others from various other church backgrounds. I hope the participants on this list can dig into the scriptures to make application of the apostle's 'church planting' techniques to the church today, give practical advice about church planting. Discussion miss'ns related issues, and network with one another. I'm really excited about this discussion list.

Just a few words about myself since I am the forum moderator. The welcome message lists some forum rules and guidelines. One of the rules is not to teach things that are contrary to the doctrine of Christ. I'd like to point out that I plan to enforce this rule in a loose manner. If you have a different view on predestination, church government, modern apostles, evangelism techniques, then it's okay to discuss them with others on the list as long as topics stay somewhat related to church plantering.

The rules are in place to protect the forum from more extreme things than that. I was on a forum once where someone came on claiming to be the antiChrist and the bride of Satan, or claiming that Jesus is not the Son of God, or that He didn't rise from the dead. Depending on the volume of the list, the manner of the poster who writes such things, and the reactions of those on the list, I may ask such a person to leave the forum. These types of people can be ministered to through email off-list.

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This isn't a list purely for doctrinal discussion. It's also for practical discussion. If someone has a list of the commands of Christ in the NT that are good for new believers in a church planter to study, he might either post it or give a web address for the study materials. If someone wants some advice on how to help a new believer share the Gospel with his or her parents, he might ask a question to the list. If someone has some web space and wants to put up another posters library of church planter materials on the web, you can find each other on this list. If a miss'nary who runs an English school is looking for another miss'ns-minded English teacher to come work for him, you can try to find such a person using this list.

Btw, I'm online at night for a lot of you guys, since I'm in Indonesia. I see that some people already posted to the list while I was asleep. :)

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Thanks to David Anderson who put the programming work in and will take care of a lot of the technical issues for this list.

Enjoy the discussion!

God bless you,

Link Hudson Jakarta


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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 10:22:38 -0400 From: forwarded

Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Reproduction vs. Intimacy (fwd) From: jferris via a non-subscription address.

I would like to talk about priorities. Priorities are not mutually exclusive, but what comes first does make a real difference. The priorities I would like to look at are "intimacy" and "reproduction". Another way of saying it might be fellowship and "church growth." "Quality" and "quantity" might be still another way to put it.

While I'm here, it is my impression that the seed that Paul planted was the seed of Christ in the lives of individuals. It takes God to give the increase, and it takes God to make a Church out of individuals. Jesus said, "I will build my Church."

Conversation in a typical religious leaders meeting might go something like, "Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.

It's not clear from what has been written, if Paul also focused on numbers, but it is clear enough that numbers were an important indication of success or fruitfulness, where the spokesman for the Jerusalem eldership was concerned. It is also not very clear what might have been in Paul's heart as he shared. This was certainly a very loaded meeting where anticipation is concerned. There is hardly another meeting in the Scripture that anyone was so seriously warned not to attend as this one. So for present purposes let's just say it was a religious leaders meeting.

I would like to offer for your consideration that those with a carnal or immature perspective tend to be very impressed with numbers. Whether it's the followers of John the Baptist concerned with being out done in baptisms by the followers of Jesus, Or the followers of Jesus wanting to be the greatest. Or, even the Jewish leadership concerned that, left unattended, every one would believe in Jesus. In all of them, there seems to be a failure to appreciate what The Lord was really after.

And then there is the problem of circumcision, the preoccupation with outer things. Even here, Paul nails the source of the problem down to the lust for numbers: "Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you [from us], so that you may be zealous for them." Galatians 4:17 The "war party", looking for scalps.

Given a choice, generally we would have to admit the religious do not offer one, at least not this one, between intimacy and reproduction, it's reproduction, numbers that's taken as an indication of greatness. Where paid leadership is concerned the numbers are also good for the financial base.

Intimacy, on the other hand, seems to be hindered by numbers. No wonder that leaders are taught not to be intimate. It's bad for the numbers, bad for income, and very bad for church growth, the church growth as it is presently understood and practiced.

The priority seems to be clear,... But wait... Jesus said, "Get away from me you evil doers, I never knew you." It seems in His heart, the "knowing" really does have priority, even before conception. "...that all of them may be one,.. so that the world may believe.."

Perhaps we could have it all. Suppose we love the ones the Father gives us. The world just might want to get in on that. That is, if the children of the slave woman would stop making war on the children of the free woman.

Jay Ferris

South Mountains of North Carolina 6/9/01

Writer, meeting in homes since 1974

End of New Testament Church Proliferation Digest V1 #1




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