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June 17, 2001 Vol 01 : 015

 

[New Testament Church Proliferation] Church Planting Movements

Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Church Planting Movements

RE: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Home Church militants, Babylon, Nicolaitans

RE: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Church Planting Movements

[New Testament Church Proliferation] reply to your message-Crispus

Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Home Church militants, Babylon, Nicolaitans

 

Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:44:25 EDT From: DenverWH

Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Church Planting Movements

In the last couple of years, David Garrison (Southern Baptist Mission Board) published a booklet called "Church Planting Movements". A church planterM is defined as "a rapid and exponential increase of indigenous churches planting churches within a given people group or population segment." Garrison gives numerous case studies of this phenomenon from around the world.

My question is this: Do any of you know of church planterMs that are going on currently in North America?

John White House Church Coach Denver, CO.


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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 20:00:51 -0400 From: The Dwelling Place

Subject: Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Church Planting Movements

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Went through the church planterM Manual in the Vineyard School of Equippers (church Planting school) here in southern Ontario, Canada in 1998-1999. It was simply presented as one form of church planting. Out of the sixteen couples, there were not "takers" to its methodology and practice.

Sam Buick Waterloo, Ontario

From: DenverWH Reply-To: ntchurch planter Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:44:25 EDT To: ntchurch planter

Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Church Planting Movements

In the last couple of years, David Garrison (Southern Baptist Mission Board) published a booklet called "Church Planting Movements". A church planterM is defined as "a rapid and exponential increase of indigenous churches planting churches within a given people group or population segment." Garrison gives numerous case studies of this phenomenon from around the world.

My question is this: Do any of you know of church planterMs that are going on currently in North America?

John White House Church Coach Denver, CO.


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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:20:52 -0400 From: "Jim Morris"

Subject: RE: [New Testament Church Proliferation] home church militants, Babylon, Nicolaitans

You sound like Eusubius, who, writing in the fourth century, A.D., bitterly complained about the "errors" circulated by Papias. He complained that Papias had misled many of the early writers, particularly Iraneaus, by his "strange" views, particularly the notion "that after the resurrection of the dead there will be a thousand-year period when the kingdom of Chr*st will be established on this earth in material form." He then supposed that Papias "got these notions by misunderstanding the apostolic accounts, not realizing that they had used mystic and symbolic language."

Your error is the same as that of Eusubius. You have built a complicated system of doctrine based on interpretations of the meanings of various scriptures. But you have ignored the express statements of many other scriptures. Three specific scriptures you have ignored are 2 Timothy 3:1-13; "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away... But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."

The second is the rhetorical question in Luke 18:8; "when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

The third is the basic words of the passage you are applying to yourselves in the present age; Revelation 20:4-5. "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection"

Pre-mellinialists insist that "The souls of them that were beheaded...lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" means that saints will be resurrected, and after they are resurrected they will reign with Christ a thousand years. To call this false doctrine is to insist that the B*ble does not mean what it says.

If you are interested in discussing this in civil fashion, I am willing, but I am disheartened to see you condemn simple acceptance of the plain words of scripture as "false doctrine" and "heresy."

Jim Morris

- -----Original Message----- From: owner-ntchurch planter [mailto:owner-ntchurch planter]On Behalf Of jferris Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 2:58 PM To: ntchurch planter Subject: Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] home church militants, Babylon, Nicolaitans

I think one of the greatest harms to the body of Christ and the extension of the Kingdom of God in the earth has been the false doctrine of pre-millenial dispensationalism and pre-millenialism as a whole. It has sown and reaped defeat and retreat in the North American and western church as no other false doctrine in the history of the church. It has created generations of escapist Christians who look at the future through the events in newspapers and other media, rather than on the fact that God has declared that He shall have dominion from sea to sea. Darby, Scofield and others borrowed ideas about the end times from heretics and false teachers from the past and much of the defeatism and the lack of Christians engaging the culture of our day is the direct result of their false teaching about the Kingdom of God, Israel, the church and how God is taking the kingdoms of this world and bringing into submission under His feet.

Sam Buick Waterloo, ON Canada

Thanks Sam,

The first resurrection takes place every time believers arrive on the other side of suffering, as demonstrated by the fact that they are walking in newness of life.MAT 3:8, ACT 26:20, JAM 1:18, 1PE 1:22, 2:3, 4:6, 1JO 2:28-5:21, 2JO 4-11, 3JO 11 The first resurrection is in the Spirit,MAT 3:11 and that same Spirit is also the source of the authority with which we reign.MAT 8:9-13, 9:6-8, 10:1, 12:28, 28:18-20, MAR 13:32-35, ACT 8:18-23, 19:6, ROM 7:6, 1CO 6:1-6, 2CO 1:21,22, 3:16-18, 5:20, 13:10, REV 2:26,27, 20:4 Because of the special nature of the authority with which elders reign in the church, the laying on of hands provides the horizontal confirmation required for the effective excercise of such authority.ACT 6:6, 13:3, 1TI 5:22 "And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you."ROM 8:1 The millenium people are people who are no longer living in darkness, although they are surrounded by people who are. They are a people for whom the lamb is the light.REV 21:23 They in turn are the light of the nations.REV 21:24 Whomsoever will may join them. Both the "The Spirit and the bride say 'come'...Whoever is thirsty ,let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life."REV 22:17 The millenium people are living on the resurrection side. "Outside are all those dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."REV 22:15

The millenium people do not suffer from identity crises. They know who they are. The millenium people do not reign as the gentiles do.LUK 22:25,26 They are not over-lords, they are under servants. The millenium people do not reign as those who take control, and force their will on others, rather they serve the lost, as the expression of God's love in the world. They do not condemn the world, they embrace and identify with its brokeness. They impact the world with the redemptive power of God's love. The millenium people are real. They are not wearing leaves or playing hide and seek.GEN 3:7,8,21 They are transparent like a sea of glass surrounding the throne of God.REV 4:6 As Jesus was and is, so are they in the world.1JO 4:17

"And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus."EPH 2:6,7 "...far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age, but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way."EPH 1:21-23 "Since then, you have been raised with Christ, ("They came to life and reigned with Christ...")REV 20:4, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God."COL 3:1 "Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! (Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.COL 3:2,3) But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."REV 12:12

Millenium people dwell where Satan has been cast out, where there is no more curse. Millenium people are those who live by faith in the son of God, and not by the works of the law, the knowledge of good and evil. Millenium people are citizens of the Jerusalem which is above, the Jerusalem that is free.GAL 4:26 And, "...if the Son sets you free you will be free indeed."JOH 8:36 Millenium people are reigning on earth, over the nations, as servants, in love, but their citizenship is in heaven.PHI 3:20

Millenium people are not fooled by knowledge which is not rooted in the Love of God. Millenium people are those "...who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil."HEB 5:14 Millenium people are those for whom knowledge is no longer deadly or divisive. But Woe to those who dwell on earth, those who are still worldly,1CO 3:1 "...having a form of godliness, but denying its power...1TI 3:5 they have "...already turned away to follow Satan."1TI 5:15

Millenium people are in, but not of the world, They have been raised, and reign in the Spirit, They are Spiritual, not worldly.1TH 4:15 That they are still at work in the earth does not change the fact of the physical resurrection to come, In Christ, "...We who are alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep."ACT 18:8, 15-20, 28:23,30, 2CO 10:3-6 Whether living or dead, those who suffer with Jesus get to sit on His throne with Him. The millennial reign is the Kingdom reign,MAT 10:20, ACT 16:7, 20:22, 25,28,21:4,11, 1CO 4:20, 5:3-5, REV 1:9,10 and The Kingdom reign is in The Spirit.ROM 14:8-12 Whether we are asleep in Jesus or alive and remain,ROM 8:6, 12:21, 1CO 6:9-11, 12:13, 2CO 5:5, GAL 5:16,18,25, 6:8 our call is to be overcomers, and alive in the Spirit.ROM 6, especially 6:13 applies, as well as many others, among them: ROM 8:9-11, 1CO 2:7-16, 9:11, 15:45, 2CO 5:14,15, 13:2-6, EPH 2:4-6, PHI 2:1, COL 2:12, 3:1, and REV 2:5, 3:1-3

The second resurrection is a bodily one. The first resurrection is a spiritual one.2CO 1:3-10, 4:7-12, 1PE 4:1, 5:8-10 Not only does suffering get us on the other side of sin, but our ability to reign is in direct proportion to our experience of suffering. "Those who suffer with Him will also reign with Him."MAT 10:40, ACT 14:22, 2TI 2:12, ROM 3:21, REV 1:5,6 In the Kingdom of God we are given power to reign commensurate with our faithfulness in small things. To reign in the broad sense of the word means that we are already reigning over our bodily appetites, in the first instance. From the very beginning, Satan makes war against humanity in the arena of human appetite. This is the thrust of Revelation Chapter 20:1-6.

This is made very clear in Romans, Chapters 5-8. In these Chapters, Paul uses every tense, past, present, and future, concerning the resurrection. In Chapter 6:11-14, we see the connection between death, and the ability to live a victorious life, but we are admonished, not only to count ourselves dead to sin, but alive to God. There is no other way to get from the one place to the other, except resurrection. We are to count this resurrection as ours already, and being ours already, it must therefore be the first resurrection. In Chapter 7:6, we see again that death has freed us to live a new kind of life. In Ephesians 2:6, again, we see that we have been raised already. In Colossians 2:12, we find that it is our faith in the power of God that plugs us into the reality of this first resurrection. And finally, in Colossians 3:1, we see the difference that this first resurrection makes in our ability to live a new life.

The Word of God does not invite us to believe lies. If we are invited, more, commanded, to believe that we are already raised from the dead, then the first resurrection cannot be in the future. Or, to put it another way, if the first resurrection is yet future, then to believe that we are already raised is to believe a lie. To the degree that we put the first resurrection in the future, we rob the gospel of the power to change our lives in the present.

Just a personal note: It is not as though I am no longer defeated, it is that I am no longer defeated the way I used to be or in the same areas that I used to operate in chronic defeat. It is suffering,2CO 7:10, 2TI 3:12 that has made the difference.1PE 1:3-12, 4:12-19 Whereas I used to think that if I messed up now, I could make up for it during a future millennium, now I see that God has called me to reign now. This new perspective has brought a new strength to my daily walk. I am not as easy a target for the tempter as I used to be, when my thoughts were in the future.

Jesus is alive now, and so am I. Alleluia!1CO 8:6, 1JO 5:13

Jay


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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:27:24 -0500 From: "Tony Dale"

Subject: RE: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Church Planting Movements

We understand from first-hand witnesses (I.e. eye witnesses) that such a movement is currently going on among hispanic Baptist churches in the Texas Rio Grande Valley region. We are trying to get down there with Fred Aters to the Baptist General Convention of Texas so that we can see and meet some of those involved in this movement. We hope to publish something in House 2 House magazine once we have really seen for ourselves. Tony and Felicity Dale -----Original Message----- From: owner-ntchurch planter [mailto:owner-ntchurch planter]On Behalf Of DenverWH Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 6:44 PM To: ntchurch planter Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Church Planting Movements

In the last couple of years, David Garrison (Southern Baptist Mission Board) published a booklet called "Church Planting Movements". A church planterM is defined as "a rapid and exponential increase of indigenous churches planting churches within a given people group or population segment." Garrison gives numerous case studies of this phenomenon from around the world.

My question is this: Do any of you know of church planterMs that are going on currently in North America?

John White House Church Coach Denver, CO.


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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 02:46:28 +0100 (BST)

Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] reply to your message-Crispus

Dear Brother Link,

My advice regarding the house is : do not persue it unless you are sure of God guidance. Otherwise you need expert advice on property business and situation of the market reaction to ex-haunted houses. Its sounds a good idea from your wife but it might lead you to be preoccuppied on this - which then could lead to alot of heartaches.

Regarding accepting leadership and helping in the work of the Lord in a fellowship where you gather together should be normal unless you lack confidence or fears of faliure or rejection by the Leadership of the church.

Make the leadership aware of your availability and willingness to help but do not persue it. Your wife in her enthusiasm might move some people to get the leadership and may sound like doing the lobbying for your position. Other women seeing it might get into displeasure and start a gossip or disliking. Let the ministry be offered to you by the leaders without any action on our part. Most women want their husbands in leadership positions. Therefore wait for the leaders to approach you and wait for the Spirit of the Lord to open the direction.

Josephine has up and down situation and occasions of loosing her. But the Lord is with her and she will come out victorious.

God bless you and wife richly in all things

Crispus

I have our Russian Pastor in Singapore. He will go with a team to Mongolia/Siberia and be back to Singapore on July 4th. I am desiring to send him to Jakarta for ministry. Would you like to host and co-ordinate his meetings for him?

- --- Link H wrote: > --- greg <philtheluv*yahoo.com> wrote: I will be planting a vineyard church this Fall. As a finance professional, I see very few reasons why I should quit my job until I feel the church can support me and my family of 5 full-time.

Can any of you offer any reasons why I shouldn't?

I can offer some possible reasons for you not to quit your job. Your kids need food, clothes, and stuff like that.

If God directs you to quit your job, walk in faith and trust Him to provide the finances. Paul could have exercised his rights to receive food and support among those he was ministering to in Corinth. Of course, in that case, his position as someone worthy of receiving support was rather clear. He was preaching the Gospel (preach in that passage is related to our word for evangelism.) He was also the one who had laid the foundation of Christ among them by winning people to Christ and ministering in the grace God had given Him.

Even the local church pastors that Paul recognized may have worked to support themselves. Paul taught that elders were worthy of 'double honor.' But he tells the elders of Ephesus to follow his example of working with his own hands to support the weak. He said he had coveted no man's silver or gold. The example Paul gave the elder was one of yielded his rights to support.

So a minister of the Gospel is not under some kind of obligation to only live from gifts unless that is something the Lord tells him to do.

Just pray about what God wants you to do. You are under any kind of Biblial obligation to quit your job.

Link

Regards, Crispus


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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:49:20 -0400 From: The Dwelling Place

Subject: Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] home church militants, Babylon, Nicolaitans

No, I really do not want to debate premillenialism or dispensationalism as I deal with all the aches and hurts these "doctrines of men" have caused in the body of Christ. Too many of my friends are wounded and bleeding because of its false teaching.

I do take the Bible very literally and I also accept God's hand in the affairs of human history. That is why I am a full Preterist. That is why when I read the Bible I read a Hebrew book that explains the God of the Hebrews judging their nation for its disobedience and that there would only remain a faithful remnant which would be of the household of faith.

I do take the words of Jesus very literal, and that is why when the New Testament speaks of the end, it speaks of the end of the Hebrew covenantal age, and not the age of the world or the destruction of the earth. The judgement of God culminated in the destruction of the Temple system and Jerusalem in A.D. 70. I take the words of Jesus literally. Dispensationalism and Premilenialism on the other hand must distort, contort, and destroy the witness of Scripture and the testimony of history, and worst of all, make Jesus out to be liar! Jesus is no liar! He is the Lord of the universe! Everything He prophesied in Matt. 24 and 25 is an accomplished fact of history! It is a done deal!

The most absurd aspect of the whole Premilenial and Dispensational eschatology is that the eschatology in question is in reference to the passing away of the Hebrew age, of the Old Covenant, and has nothing to do with the New Covenant other than in ushering it completely.

I have had too many friends devastated and almost destroyed through dispensationalism/premilenialism. Many have walked away from the church, not Christ, confused, hurt and upset because of a false defeatist theology that teaches escapism rather than teaching the dominion and rule of God in transforming the earth and its kingdoms.

You may yearn for the "great escape" but you will be sorely disappointed! We are ruling and reigning now with Christ! There is nothing to wait for! It is high time the church took its rightful place and advanced the Kingdom of God in all the earth, instead of wallowing in choruses of "I'll fly away o glory!" There is a world to be won to Christ! It will not be won by those who constantly are waiting for the "return and the big getaway in the white blue yonder!"

Preterism advances the most biblical and sound exegetical understanding of eschatology, the New Covenant and the nature of the Kingdom of God. The problem is that North Americans have been conditioned through a century and a half by bad biblical exegesis and has accelerated and contributed to the demise of aggressive advancement of the Kingdom of God in the earth.

Which would you rather have...the Kingdom come in fullness and power in an ongoing fashion as it is now, or a defeated church looking for things to get worse and worse and to simply "get people saved so they can punch their ticket out of here?!" Which is more biblical? I dare say, Preterism is most biblical, especially when compared to dispensationalism/premilenialism.

Sam Buick

Waterloo

From: "Jim Morris" Reply-To: ntchurch planter Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:20:52 -0400 To: <ntchurch planter>

Subject: RE: [New Testament Church Proliferation] home church militants, Babylon, Nicolaitans

You sound like Eusubius, who, writing in the fourth century, A.D., bitterly complained about the "errors" circulated by Papias. He complained that Papias had misled many of the early writers, particularly Iraneaus, by his "strange" views, particularly the notion "that after the resurrection of the dead there will be a thousand-year period when the kingdom of Chr*st will be established on this earth in material form." He then supposed that Papias "got these notions by misunderstanding the apostolic accounts, not realizing that they had used mystic and symbolic language."

Your error is the same as that of Eusubius. You have built a complicated system of doctrine based on interpretations of the meanings of various scriptures. But you have ignored the express statements of many other scriptures. Three specific scriptures you have ignored are 2 Timothy 3:1-13; "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away... But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."

The second is the rhetorical question in Luke 18:8; "when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

The third is the basic words of the passage you are applying to yourselves in the present age; Revelation 20:4-5. "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection"

Pre-mellinialists insist that "The souls of them that were beheaded...lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years" means that saints will be resurrected, and after they are resurrected they will reign with Christ a thousand years. To call this false doctrine is to insist that the B*ble does not mean what it says.

If you are interested in discussing this in civil fashion, I am willing, but I am disheartened to see you condemn simple acceptance of the plain words of scripture as "false doctrine" and "heresy."

Jim Morris

-----Original Message----- From: owner-ntchurch planter [mailto:owner-ntchurch planter]On Behalf Of jferris Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 2:58 PM To: ntchurch planter

Subject: Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] home church militants, Babylon, Nicolaitans

I think one of the greatest harms to the body of Christ and the extension of the Kingdom of God in the earth has been the false doctrine of pre-millenial dispensationalism and pre-millenialism as a whole. It has sown and reaped defeat and retreat in the North American and western church as no other false doctrine in the history of the church. It has created generations of escapist Christians who look at the future through the events in newspapers and other media, rather than on the fact that God has declared that He shall have dominion from sea to sea. Darby, Scofield and others borrowed ideas about the end times from heretics and false teachers from the past and much of the defeatism and the lack of Christians engaging the culture of our day is the direct result of their false teaching about the Kingdom of God, Israel, the church and how God is taking the kingdoms of this world and bringing into submission under His feet.

Sam Buick Waterloo, ON Canada

Thanks Sam,

The first resurrection takes place every time believers arrive on the other side of suffering, as demonstrated by the fact that they are walking in newness of life.MAT 3:8, ACT 26:20, JAM 1:18, 1PE 1:22, 2:3, 4:6, 1JO 2:28-5:21, 2JO 4-11, 3JO 11 The first resurrection is in the Spirit,MAT 3:11 and that same Spirit is also the source of the authority with which we reign.MAT 8:9-13, 9:6-8, 10:1, 12:28, 28:18-20, MAR 13:32-35, ACT 8:18-23, 19:6, ROM 7:6, 1CO 6:1-6, 2CO 1:21,22, 3:16-18, 5:20, 13:10, REV 2:26,27, 20:4 Because of the special nature of the authority with which elders reign in the church, the laying on of hands provides the horizontal confirmation required for the effective excercise of such authority.ACT 6:6, 13:3, 1TI 5:22 "And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you."ROM 8:1 The millenium people are people who are no longer living in darkness, although they are surrounded by people who are. They are a people for whom the lamb is the light.REV 21:23 They in turn are the light of the nations.REV 21:24 Whomsoever will may join them. Both the "The Spirit and the bride say 'come'...Whoever is thirsty ,let him come; and whoever wishes, let him take the free gift of the water of life."REV 22:17 The millenium people are living on the resurrection side. "Outside are all those dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood."REV 22:15

The millenium people do not suffer from identity crises. They know who they are. The millenium people do not reign as the gentiles do.LUK 22:25,26 They are not over-lords, they are under servants. The millenium people do not reign as those who take control, and force their will on others, rather they serve the lost, as the expression of God's love in the world. They do not condemn the world, they embrace and identify with its brokeness. They impact the world with the redemptive power of God's love. The millenium people are real. They are not wearing leaves or playing hide and seek.GEN 3:7,8,21 They are transparent like a sea of glass surrounding the throne of God.REV 4:6 As Jesus was and is, so are they in the world.1JO 4:17

"And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus."EPH 2:6,7 "...far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age, but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way."EPH 1:21-23 "Since then, you have been raised with Christ, ("They came to life and reigned with Christ...")REV 20:4, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God."COL 3:1 "Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! (Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.COL 3:2,3) But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."REV 12:12

Millenium people dwell where Satan has been cast out, where there is no more curse. Millenium people are those who live by faith in the son of God, and not by the works of the law, the knowledge of good and evil. Millenium people are citizens of the Jerusalem which is above, the Jerusalem that is free.GAL 4:26 And, "...if the Son sets you free you will be free indeed."JOH 8:36 Millenium people are reigning on earth, over the nations, as servants, in love, but their citizenship is in heaven.PHI 3:20

Millenium people are not fooled by knowledge which is not rooted in the Love of God. Millenium people are those "...who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil."HEB 5:14 Millenium people are those for whom knowledge is no longer deadly or divisive. But Woe to those who dwell on earth, those who are still worldly,1CO 3:1 "...having a form of godliness, but denying its power...1TI 3:5 they have "...already turned away to follow Satan."1TI 5:15

Millenium people are in, but not of the world, They have been raised, and reign in the Spirit, They are Spiritual, not worldly.1TH 4:15 That they are still at work in the earth does not change the fact of the physical resurrection to come, In Christ, "...We who are alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep."ACT 18:8, 15-20, 28:23,30, 2CO 10:3-6 Whether living or dead, those who suffer with Jesus get to sit on His throne with Him. The millennial reign is the Kingdom reign,MAT 10:20, ACT 16:7, 20:22, 25,28,21:4,11, 1CO 4:20, 5:3-5, REV 1:9,10 and The Kingdom reign is in The Spirit.ROM 14:8-12 Whether we are asleep in Jesus or alive and remain,ROM 8:6, 12:21, 1CO 6:9-11, 12:13, 2CO 5:5, GAL 5:16,18,25, 6:8 our call is to be overcomers, and alive in the Spirit.ROM 6, especially 6:13 applies, as well as many others, among them: ROM 8:9-11, 1CO 2:7-16, 9:11, 15:45, 2CO 5:14,15, 13:2-6, EPH 2:4-6, PHI 2:1, COL 2:12, 3:1, and REV 2:5, 3:1-3

The second resurrection is a bodily one. The first resurrection is a spiritual one.2CO 1:3-10, 4:7-12, 1PE 4:1, 5:8-10 Not only does suffering get us on the other side of sin, but our ability to reign is in direct proportion to our experience of suffering. "Those who suffer with Him will also reign with Him."MAT 10:40, ACT 14:22, 2TI 2:12, ROM 3:21, REV 1:5,6 In the Kingdom of God we are given power to reign commensurate with our faithfulness in small things. To reign in the broad sense of the word means that we are already reigning over our bodily appetites, in the first instance. From the very beginning, Satan makes war against humanity in the arena of human appetite. This is the thrust of Revelation Chapter 20:1-6.

This is made very clear in Romans, Chapters 5-8. In these Chapters, Paul uses every tense, past, present, and future, concerning the resurrection. In Chapter 6:11-14, we see the connection between death, and the ability to live a victorious life, but we are admonished, not only to count ourselves dead to sin, but alive to God. There is no other way to get from the one place to the other, except resurrection. We are to count this resurrection as ours already, and being ours already, it must therefore be the first resurrection. In Chapter 7:6, we see again that death has freed us to live a new kind of life. In Ephesians 2:6, again, we see that we have been raised already. In Colossians 2:12, we find that it is our faith in the power of God that plugs us into the reality of this first resurrection. And finally, in Colossians 3:1, we see the difference that this first resurrection makes in our ability to live a new life.

The Word of God does not invite us to believe lies. If we are invited, more, commanded, to believe that we are already raised from the dead, then the first resurrection cannot be in the future. Or, to put it another way, if the first resurrection is yet future, then to believe that we are already raised is to believe a lie. To the degree that we put the first resurrection in the future, we rob the gospel of the power to change our lives in the present.

Just a personal note: It is not as though I am no longer defeated, it is that I am no longer defeated the way I used to be or in the same areas that I used to operate in chronic defeat. It is suffering,2CO 7:10, 2TI 3:12 that has made the difference.1PE 1:3-12, 4:12-19 Whereas I used to think that if I messed up now, I could make up for it during a future millennium, now I see that God has called me to reign now. This new perspective has brought a new strength to my daily walk. I am not as easy a target for the tempter as I used to be, when my thoughts were in the future.

Jesus is alive now, and so am I. Alleluia!1CO 8:6, 1JO 5:13

Jay


End of New Testament Church Proliferation Digest V1 #15

 




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