New Testament Church Proliferation Digest


Spreading the Gospel via House Churches


July 5, 2001, Vol 01 : 027

 

[New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting

Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting (fwd)

Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting

Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Churches in Kentucky

Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting

Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The Goal of Evangelism in Church Planting

 

Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 10:30:32 -0400 From: "Dan Beaty"

Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting

Hello boys and girls,

Since the name of this list is New Testament Church Planting, I wonder if those of you who do church planting could describe what it is you do, and how you go about doing it?

My understanding is that the distinction is from modern evangelism methods which focus on only individuals becoming saved.

Is that correct?

Dan Beaty Columbus, Ohio USA

http://www.livingtruth.com


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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 13:46:39 -0400 From: forwarded

Subject: Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting (fwd)

From: "Clear Creek" (This is an unsigned message from a non-sub address - mail forwarder.)

Dan,

Church Planting is the distinction between modern "evangelism" which fails greatly the standard that was set in the New Testament and really sets up "baby" Followers to fail. It tells them to Accept Christ and all will be ok. But it says nothing of discipleship,love, or taking up a Cross. Church planting allows the true gospel including discipleship,love,and the Cross, to become a standard of living not just a "Sunday" thing.

Our role as church planters is to evangelize individuals,link them together,disciple them,hold them accountable,allow them to recognize elders according to NT standards(not just titles of authority),preach taking up their crosses daily,living the life of Christ daily in their lives,and then being able to walk away and move on to another town or city, and keeping in touch with them so that they can grow on their own and not merely look up to their "modern-day" Apostle Paul.

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Beaty" Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 8:30 AM Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting

Hello boys and girls,

Since the name of this list is New Testament Church Planting, I wonder if those of you who do church planting could describe what it is you do, and how you go about doing it?

My understanding is that the distinction is from modern evangelism methods which focus on only individuals becoming saved.

Is that correct?

Dan Beaty Columbus, Ohio USA

http://www.livingtruth.com

 

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:56:51 +0100 From: "jt"

Subject: Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting

Hi I planted a Church two years ago from the debris of two previous splits, after leading a charismatic church in the UK for nearly twenty years. (Married 3 kids 17 16 11 financial adviser for two-three days a week and passionate about history, Romans, Ants (yes ants) and the importance of speaking in tongues in the Christian life!!) We have seen 30 people come to faith in 24 months. This however is only the beginning, I believe the elders task`k is help feed, teach, prote ct the flock and help them to find their 'service' and relational links in the body. Community and relationship are paramount otherwise you simply have meetings.

John Tancock

West Cross Community Church Swansea South Wales

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Beaty" Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting

Hello boys and girls,

Since the name of this list is New Testament Church Planting, I wonder if those of you who do church planting could describe what it is you do, and how you go about doing it?

My understanding is that the distinction is from modern evangelism methods which focus on only individuals becoming saved.

Is that correct?

Dan Beaty Columbus, Ohio USA

http://www.livingtruth.com


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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:53:03 +0100 From: "jt"

Subject: Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] Churches in Kentucky

Hi all We've just had 100 Southern Baptist teenagers visit Wales. Different to us in many ways (non charismatic, very 'programmed etc) but great people and many new friends forged. They've invited us out to Henderson Kentucky next year. They are happy for us to be involved with other Churches during our stay. Does anyone know the house church situation there and do you have any thoughts about the problems or opportunities we may face. If this is not 'on subject' please contact me off l,ine. Thanks

John tancock Swansea Wales. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Beaty" <dbeaty*copper.net> To: <ntchurch planter> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting

Hello boys and girls,

Since the name of this list is New Testament Church Planting, I wonder if those of you who do church planting could describe what it is you do, and how you go about doing it?

My understanding is that the distinction is from modern evangelism methods which focus on only individuals becoming saved.

Is that correct?

Dan Beaty Columbus, Ohio USA

http://www.livingtruth.com


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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:12:37 EDT From: Steffasong

Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The definition of Church Planting

In a message dated 07/04/2001 11:11:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dbeaty writes:

I wonder if those of you who do church planting could describe what it is you do, and how you go about doing it?

We try to live by an idea of planting a church that is modeled after Jesus' style of ministry. Namely, he walked through a crowd of clamoring people, each with MEGA needs, and was able to pinpoint when the flow of God's power was present. He did not have to touch each one just because He was a healer. He noticed when the woman who needed healing touched him, and was aware when the power of God for healing flowed through him. He preached up a storm all over Galilee but when he had a prime opportunity to preach it good before Rome, he uttered not a word. In other words, he opened His mouth, not according to the flesh, but according to what the Father willed.

That said, if we have a style of church planting, it would be to cooperate with God, hear Him, and be faithful to stand, seed, water, etc., in those places where He points out. It is non-formulaic, and open to actually letting the Lord be the Head instead of just giving that idea lip service. That is, we try to follow His lead instead of setting out to do it in a way that worked in the past, whether it be in the Bible or in our own past planting experiences.

This is because Biblically, we see local churches being planted in numerous ways. Historically, we see the same thing. The church we were affiliated with for seven years sprung up in our home and God used us in the planting process, but we see Him as the Planter.

To answer Dan's question more specifically, I would say that we 'do' what God shows us to do,(at least we try...=) attempting to lean NOT on what we think should happen, but by the course the Spirit is paving. It means that we tread carefully, and try to live by the words in Micah 6:8, Eph. 3:14-17 and Proverbs 3:5-6 (just to name a few).

Essentially, it means that we will plant something new with the Lord if planting needs to be done, or we will walk shoulder to shoulder with other workers who are already obeying God to build into the church in an area. Presently we are being led to pour into some tiny churches in other parts of the globe. At this point we are not sure if we will visit them, but we are confident that the Lord will show us and provide the means.

Would love to hear from more of you who have been used in church planting, or who are presently being used by God in this way.

Bless you muchly.

Una hermana,

Stephanie Bennett


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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:15:20 -0400 From: "Sam Buick"

Subject: Re: [New Testament Church Proliferation] The Goal of Evangelism in Church Planting

Hi:

I would like to share the following which is a quote that is changing everything I have been taught about evangelism and church planting.

Please read this carefully from the pen of Gene Edwards (The Divine Romance, The  Prisoner in the Third Cell, A Tale of Three Kings, etc.).

"For those of you who are obsessed with the evangelizing of the world in our   generation, please note that Paul raised up four churches in Galatia and considered the entire province of Galatia evangelized!  It was the planting of an ekklesia, NOT numbers of people saved, that was the measuring stick of evangelizing.  (By "ekklesia" we mean the community of the believers, NOT a people meeting in something that looks suspiciously like a civic auditorium with weekly lectures delivered to a roomful of people, strangers to one another.)

Ours is strange thinking when compared to Paul's! Paul's thought centered on establishing the ekklesia, NOT on soul winning.  Note, too, this important fact: Paul evangelized in order to raise up churches.  He did not raise up the church in order to evangelize.

The final end of evangelism is to raise up the ekklesia in a city!  Evangelism has no great purpose beyond establishing and growing of a local ekklesia in a specific city.  Evangelism was never an end. Evangelism served the ekklesia (May we one day get that very spirited horse back in his corral where he belongs.)  Evangelism is a tool for church planting and church growth.  It has no reason to exist in and of itself.  Outside its use to plant a specific ekklesia in a specific town and to grow that specific church, evangelism should NOT exist!*

Paul considered a province evangelized and his main task over as far as evangelism was concerned.  Evangelism rested with those meetings in homes.  The total membership of those four churches in Galatia probably was less than 200, total.  What a value system.  What a contradiction to our concept.

Two hundred people gathering, in an entire province, and Paul considered that province "evangelized."  Sure! The ekklesia-living, breathing and verile - was present!!  One of these two concepts of evangelism - Paul's or ours - needs to be abandoned!

The planting of the ekklesia, by church planters, is waiting in the wings, waiting to be - in our day - center stage once more!

 * Certainly if you are sitting in an airplane and the man sitting next to you is interested in knowing Jesus Christ, then, unquestionably, witnessing is proper, and winning him to Christ is the only correct thing to do. But the idea of welding together a force of people to witness, the sole end and purpose being only to save them from hell, and not thought of birthing a local "community of believers," has absolutely no precedent in Scripture and falls outside the mind of early believers.  To be a Christian and to belong to the community of believers was one  separable thought.  Evangelism just to save would have been unthinkable by members of a local ekklesia."

Taken from "How to Meet in Homes" by Gene Edwards, pp. 75-76.

Read again a few times.  It has really impacted me.

Sammy


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