New Testament Church Proliferation Digest


Spreading the Gospel via House Churches


Dec 14, 2001 Vol 01 : 115

NT Church Proliferation Digest Friday, December 14 2001 Vol 01 : 115


Re: [ntcp] "full time" ministry
[ntcp] Fulltime [fwd]
Re: [ntcp] "full time" ministry
Re: [ntcp] "full time" ministry


Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:08:55 -0600
From: "Dan Hubbell"
Subject: Re: [ntcp] "full time" ministry

Brother Dan,

First of all, Laurel and I extend our love and greetings to you, Brenda and
your family. As you know we had the joy of prayerfully supporting you in your
mission trips to India for which we give our Lord all the glory.

I have not had the time to participate on New Testament Church Proliferation due to mission travels but this
morning your e-mail prompted me in my spirit to reply a word of encouragement
to you. Knowing you as I do, I discern in your heart the sincere desire to be
obedient to our Lord, as you stated, "in the urgency of this hour." I concur
that we are living in a critical "fullness of His time" and we need to be very
discerning our Lord's desire to minister through us in taking the Gospel to the
uttermost parts.

As always in the Scripture, there is a perfect balance. As is the case of Paul
trusted God by requesting a "collection for the saints," thanking saints for
"contributing" to his needs, and trusting the Lord through his "tent making
vocation." Paul, as you know, made the case for the saints to provide for
laborers in the ekklesia but also left open the option of working with his
hands to provide from himself and others with whom he served.

The Lord has led me to an understanding from His Word that each worker should
seek the Lord's mind in the matter of finances for ministry. In my personal
experience the Lord has led me to totally depend upon Him for provision for
missionary journeys without making requests for contributions. But I am also
open to the Lord directing me to make mission financial needs known to the Body
of Christ as well.

Provision of finances for any given mission trip is one of the ways that the
Lord shows me that I am to respond to a "Macedonian call." When "Macedonian
calls" come, I lay the request before the Father knowing that He has all
resources at His disposal and if wants me to go anywhere in the world, He is
well able to provide abundantly more than I need for the trip. This e-mail
would be too long to relate the many examples of how our Lord has miraculously
provided resources for us in the various trips we have made throughout the
world. When God miraculously provides for me as He does, I know without any
doubt that I am to make that particular mission journey to a specific country.
This also helps me know God's timing for each trip.

Dan, I also hear your heart about "neglecting those whom you love and other
basic responsibilities." There is a balance here also. One cannot go
everywhere in the world, accept every invitation, nor can laborers be gone all
the time from their families and responsibilities. But there is peace in
knowing that our Lord knows and understands that. He wants us to have that
peace in deciding whether or not we are to go to a particular country and if we
are to go, when we are to make that particular journey.

Also in my experience, when a mission journey is truly of the Lord, my family
has the same peace about His will for that trip that I have. Sometimes when I
honestly would rather just stay home, Laurel is the one who encourages me to go
and often insists upon it because she knows that it is God's will. When a trip
is not of the Lord, invariably, I find myself having to "convince" her that I
should go.

One final comment, Dan. As you and I have personally discussed in the past, if
and when the Lord wants you to leave or sell your business in order to be
available "full-time", He will reveal that to you and Brenda, so fully trust
Him in this and receive His peace about it. As you know, the Lord led Laurel
and me in "tent-making" as owners of a bed & breakfast here in Winnsboro for
twelve years. Then in His timing, He led us to sell the business. We had
peace in owning the B&B and peace in selling it as well, because we knew that
"owning it" and "selling it" was of Him.

Brother, I did not intend to give you the "whole bale of hay" but trust that
this word of encouragement from my heart to yours helps answer some of the
questions you addressed.

Love in Him,

Dan Hubbell


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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:40:44 -0500
From: forwarded
Subject: [ntcp] Fulltime [fwd]

From: "Nahmen Nielsen"
This is what was shown to me about finances.

You found a new job and go to the place of employment to talk with your
new boss. He tells you what the job entails and what he expects you to
do. He shows you a warehouse full of boxes and tells you to deliver them
to various customers. He gives you a list of those customers and tells
you to start working.

You notice that there is no truck or any provision for making those
deliveries. You go and ask your boss about this and he tells you that is
your business and does not concern him. Would you work for such a boss?
"If you who are evil give the right tools to your employees, how much
more will your Master in heaven give you the proper tools to do the work
he has called you to do?"

"God's work done God's way will have God's provision!" Someone once said.

There is much work being done that is of our own doing. We are called to
start a work and keep going even if that particular job is done. Finances
stop and we device all kinds of ways to raise funds.

We see the need is so great that it is overwhelming. It is hard to wait
for His timing.

"Lean not unto your own understanding!"

Nahmen


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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 07:53:34 -0800
From: jferris
Subject: Re: [ntcp] "full time" ministry

Dan Beaty wrote:

>Does anyone else feel the urgency of the hour that I feel? There are so many
>opportunities and needs right now. It is difficult for me to justify missing
>them due to the lack of time and energy. But it is not so much that I feel
>so needed or indispensible. The need is in me to be a part of what God is
>doing these days!

Dear Dan,

Some years ago now, The Lord opened the following insight on the matter
of finance:

LESSONS FROM LIFE FOR LIFE

Romans 1:18-20:

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the
godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their
wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because
God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's
invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been
clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are
without excuse."

This having been said, our understanding and experience is that a
knowledge of the Scriptures independent of the creation is bound to make
us religious, and a knowledge of creation without the Scriptures is
bound to leave us in darkness.

What is God like, and how does He do life? Unless we gain an
understanding from ".... what has been made..." we are "... without excuse."

In the arena of Kingdom economics what is the New Testament pattern? In
spite of the many instructions about money and finances under the law,
in virtually every instance, The New Testament goes to life, not law,
for financial answers. so much so that we are forced to conclude that
our focus must be on household finance in the Kingdom of God.

THE HOUSEHOLD OF KINGS

Matthew 17:24-27:

"... the collectors of the two drachma (half shekel) tax came to Peter
and asked, 'Doesn't your teacher pay the temple tax?' Exodus 30:11-16
'Yes he does,' he replied. When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the
first to speak. 'What do you think Simon?' he asked. 'From whom do the
kings of the earth collect duty and taxes - from their own sons or from
others?' 'From others,' Peter answered. "Then the sons are exempt,'
Jesus said to him. 'But so that we may not offend them, go to the lake
and throw out your line. Take the first fish you catch; open its mouth
and you will find a four-drachma coin. Take it and give it to them for
my tax and yours."

The Scriptures tell us that, Jesus was born "... under law to redeem
those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons."
Galatians 4:4,5

Even while Jesus was still "under law" he was preaching beyond law, a
transition to the "full rights of sons". Rather than citing Exodus,
rather than saying " yea verily, it is written... " He said in effect,
"What does life teach you about these things?"

Under the law this was identified as "atonement money" and its use was
for "... the service of the tent of meeting", the shadow of God's
house. Hebrews 9,10. Again, all of that aside, Jesus used the occasion
of Peter's unspoken question as opportunity to share, that this money is
for God's household, God's children. Jesus is God's child, and Peter was
and is God's child by association in the first instance, by adoption in
the second instance, Galatians 4:5. and by participation in the very
nature of God in the final instance, Galatians 4:6, I Peter 1:23, II
Peter 1:4. There are people, places and circumstances where we should
try not to be an offense, but, bottom line, the children are exempt.

This principle is seen time and again in the New testament. I wont' take
the space her to elaborate them, but here is a kind of outline of the
exploration The Lord took me on in connection with what I came to
understand as:

HOUSEHOLD FINANCE IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD

Romans 1:18-20 Lessons From Life For Life

Matthew 17:24-27 The Household of Kings

I Timothy 5:17,18 Teachers Compensation

I Corinthians 4:17 Discipling Life

Acts 18:24-26 Schoolhouse of The Lord

II Corinthians 12:14-18 Fathers and Children

Malachi 3:8-12 Provision of the house

I Timothy 5:3-16 Care for the widows

Having included an Old Testament passage, perhaps I should add this
brief explanation:

PROVISION OF THE HOUSE

Malachi 3:8-10:

"Will a man rob God? Yet you rob me. But you ask, 'How do we rob you?'
In tithes and offerings. you are under a curse - the whole nation of you
because you are robbing me. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse
that there may be food in my house..."

And, "... we are His house if we hold on to our courage and the hope of
which we boast..." "Food in my house, the early church "... broke bread
in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts." We are
also told that , "... There were no needy persons among them. For from
time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the
money from the sales and put it at the apostles feet, and it was
distributed to anyone as he had need."

Here we are not being instructed about compensation for the laborer, but
provision for the house. An old creation household is a picture of
something, a picture of a new creation household, and by extension even
new creation households.

Yours inChrist,

Jay


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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 11:53:40 -0500
From: "Dan Beaty"
Subject: Re: [ntcp] "full time" ministry

Thanks Dan, Michael and Jay,

For contributing to this thread. I would still like to hear more
perspectives on this. Jay wrote:

>>The household of God truly is our main concern. That is why Jesus sent the
70 out to tell everyone that "the Kingdom of Heaven is near!" That is why
grace was given unto Paul to preach among the gentiles of the unsearchable
riches of Christ. That is why Jesus gave "some apostles, some prophets, some
evangelists, some pastors and teachers, for the perfecting of the saints for
works of service, for the building up of His Body the Church, until we all
come to the unity of the faith, unto the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a
Perfect Man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ."

That is why the household of God in Antioch sent forth Barnabas and Paul to
the cities of asia minor, Greece and Paul was taken as far as Rome.

That is also why we have "New Testament Church Proliferation" discussion lists
like this one, and why some home churches are reaching out to one another
and supporting workers that can help in the building up of God's Household
here locally and around the world.

Mat 9:37,38: "Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is
plenteous, but the labourers are few; Pray ye therefore the Lord of the
harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest." >>

Dan Beaty
Columbus, Ohio USA

http://www.livingtruth.com


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