New Testament Church Proliferation Digest

 

Spreading the Gospel via House Churches

 


New Testament Church Proliferation Digest Thursday, March 14 2002 Vol 02 : 056
[NTCP] NTCP: RE Establishing the complete Lordship of Jesus
[NTCP] Re: need some advice
[NTCP] Free Gospels....
RE: [NTCP] Re: need some advice
RE: [NTCP] NTCP: RE Establishing the complete Lordship of Jesus
Re: [NTCP] NTCP: RE Establishing the complete Lordship of Jesus
[NTCP] Query
Re: [NTCP] Query
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RE: [NTCP] Query

Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:14:16
From: "David Jaggernauth"
Subject: [NTCP] NTCP: RE Establishing the complete Lordship of Jesus

Dear List,

I need some advice on an issue I have been struggling with a lot lately.

Most of the people in our meetings are untaught, they have never really been
taught the word of God accurately. Our main task right now is to teach them so
that they are able to stand on their own. My problem is this, I fear that they
may become dependent on us and we may end up in the same kind of Church
expression that we have rejected.

How can we truly establish Jesus's Lordship over the meeting so that He becomes
more apparent than us, the ones who are speaking.

How do we not be in control and at the same function to lead the group
effectively. I dont know if I am accurately expressing myself here.

The thing is, I know that for our meeting to stand on its own without us, we
have have to allow the people to see Jesus, and allow the Lord to establish His
authority over the meeting. The thing is, I'm not exactly sure how this is
done.

At the moment we have teaching of the word (one of the leaders does it), we
have prayer, we have a time of questions and answers and fellowship. The thing
is, if myself or my wife isnt there, I dont think they will go on for long.
They look forward to our ministry. How do I move their focus from us???

I think we as leaders need a little teaching ourselves. All we have ever really
seen as Christianity expressed was institutional church ministry, the pastor
goes up the pulpit and preaches to the Church, and everyone sits and listens to
him, then everyone goes home.

How can we get the new folk to begin ministering and sharing on their own????
How can we get into the New Testament style of meeting? We have been successful
in getting them to meet on their own without us. They gathered together and
prayed, something many of them never did before. They werent embarrassed by
their simplicity. In fact they had a good laugh about their singing, they said
that none of them can sing and hoped no one would hear them.

Do you think we should encorage to meet on their own to pray more often?I dont
think would last too long either.

David Jaggernauth
Trinidad and Tobago


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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 09:16:33 -0800
From: Dan Snyder
Subject: [NTCP] Re: need some advice

Dear David,

Just a suggestion - consider getting out of the mode of one man teaching.

How about finding some basic written material that you trust. I personally
would recommend Watchman Nee's "Messages for Building up New Believers". Those
are 52 messages written particularly to help ground new believers in the truth
over a period of 1 year.

Anyway, whatever you choose. Have the saints get into it. Maybe reading that
week's message at home during the week. Maybe spending a time in groups of 5 or
6 at the beginning of the "teaching meeting" to read over that week's portion
and fellowship over it a bit.

Then devote the main part of your meeting to having the saints speak what
they've enjoyed from the message they've read. Encourage everyone to speak. Not
to give a big message. Just share a portion of what touched them. Together all
the saints will give the message.

Such an approach helps new believers become speakers for the Lord. It is also
much more effective in helping people learn than just listening to a speaker.
And it's in the church's fundamental principle of mutuality.

You can coach, encourage, prompt, adjust.... just don't talk too much.

Let the saints speak... when you speak the truth it gets into you. Even if it
starts out as "baby talk". That's okay. That's how we all learned to talk!

May the Lord bless all the saints there!!!

Dan


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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:17:13 -0500
From: "Dan Shepherd"
Subject: [NTCP] Free Gospels....

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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:21:27 -0600
From: "Tony Dale"
Subject: RE: [NTCP] Re: need some advice

Dan,

This is great, practical advice. Could I print this as a "letter to the
editor" or something similar in the House 2 House magazine.

Tony Dale


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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:57:28 -0800
From: "Bob Lund"
Subject: Re: [NTCP] NTCP: RE Establishing the complete Lordship of Jesus

Hi David... Bob Lund here...

Thought that I would toss in my 2 cents. This is a great question and truly is
worth all of us crunching through and processing. I'll share a bit of theory
and insight.

First off, I believe that the Body needs leaders. But, as you've pointed out so
well, our models for leadership do not generally come from New Testament,
Apostolic revelation. Rather, we take our concepts of leadership from our
culture, religious tradition, etc. Thus, we evoke images of generals, CEOs,
warrior-Rambos, etc. Jesus said, in a few nutshells that leadership in the Body
will be genetically VERY diffierent that that of the world. It will not be
about being "over" others. It will truly be about being "under" others, lifting
them up, affirming them, cheering them on, being a security guard (to help
prevent the evil one from robbing their heritage and derailing them through sin
and unbelief), and a being a coach. Too often in I.C. or house churches, as
you've pointed out, the people we are supposed to serve become a means to us
building our "ministry." Put differently, they become bricks for the
"International, Bob Lund Evangelistic Association to Convert the Gay Whales for
Christ," rather than about God dwelling in the temple that Bob Lund is merely
another brick of. It takes a special person to reject the leader glory that has
become associated with people following us (in I.C. or house Church)...

Even the non-leaders come to expect the above kind of cultural, non-apostolic
leadership; this compounds the problem. The people want a king, and, not
surprisingly, the guy likes the idea of being king... Non-leaders as well as
leaders need to re-align their theory and practice in this area; it's a huge
re-education process... that will surely take patience and time.

Leadership will also be about example. Surely Jesus and the apostles did their
share of talking/lecturing, both monologue and dialogue. BUT, the things that
are so precious of a heritage and so scarce in the church today (both I.C.
church and many house churches), are often better caught than taught. So much
so that many believe that just moving a meeting from a building to a smaller
living room will somehow address this issue. Sometimes it does not and people
simply create a miniature I.C. service, it's just that people are sitting on
couches instead of in pews. The leader(s) lecture and sort of orchestrate the
show, but it is in a living room. THIS IS NOT AT ALL WHAT JESUS AND THE
APOSTLES WERE TALKING ABOUT!!! People learn to be reproductive disciples by
being mentored by others more mature than them, and by becoming fitted into the
"temple" (Ephesians end of chap. 2) that God is creating. Leaders must give
attention to the "fittedness" that Paul speaks about. If we are exhorted to do
all the "one anothers" (there's over a dozen of them in the N.T.), just where
and when are we to do them? In a 1 1/2 hour "service" on a Sunday morning, or
even a 3 hour meeting in a home. Our gatherings are never less than 6 hours and
often go up to 10 hours. BUT this is still not enough time to do all that
should be done. Pray for one another, confess sins, worship in song a LONG
time, be quiet together and hear what Father is saying, have a meal, allow
people to share, prophesy, etc.

Yikes! Is there enough time!

Actually, less mature people need to be with leaders in real life settings. We
must admit that in I.C. and house-like settings, often we create a hermetically
sealed environ wherein we don't have spats with our spouses (the people we
mentor NEED to see us have a fight with our spouse, and see how we resolve it),
the kids are well-behaved under threat of dire consequences (the brethren need
to see how we react and handle it when little Johnnie dumbs spaghetti all over
our nice carpet). Pointedly, our church-life must be in real life as much as
possible. That's why I like to be involved in the marketplace. Those whom look
to me as an older brother need to see how I handle business deals that go sour,
where I'm tempted to lie about a product with exaggerated marketing, etc.

One practical thing that we do with the church and youth group, is ask, "what
did you bring today?" Referring to 1 Cor. 14 where everyone is pictured having
a puzzle piece for the gathering. I had to come to the place where I really
believed, and not just said, that EVERY christian is VITAL for the gathering to
be what God intends. Consequently, I have done very little teaching, apart from
little 5 and 10 minute ditties, for nearly a year. Sometimes it gets
uncomfortable when someone is not "taking charge" and making the show go on.
But, the sweet, sweet fruit of drawing out what the Father is doing out of
others, encouraging the quiet ones to share verses that touch them, dreams,
visions, feelings, etc., is that the Body truly begins to function as a Body.
This is juxtaposed to the frustration that we've all felt in having to do the
whole show, as a leader.

There is virtually an unlimited amount of variety, quality and quantity of
treasure that Jesus has deposited in Christians. One of the saddest things that
I have observed is to see people, full of Jesus, waste away on a pew or a couch
and not be affirmed, equipped, and TRULY released into their calling to
minister to the Body. All of us are called to set the captives free. There is
virtually an ocean of workers who, by virtue mostly of wrong leadership style,
have become muted and not equipped/affirmed/released. Jesus said, when
pondering a view of the harvest, that we need workers! Workers are grown by
being affirmed, equipped (by example and teaching), and most of all being truly
released... even if this usurps some of the power/position/paycheck of a leader
(yikes!).

In some gatherings we'll spend hours praying over one person so that they can
be repaired/affirmed/equipped/released to be a better "pipe" of grace from the
throne. Consequently, we have seen even young teens explode with boldness and
become ones who confidently minister to others! This is a blast! Where we ever
got the idea that the best talker is therefore the best pipe to heaven, I'll
never quite understand...

Sorry for being so windy... Here's a summary:

o Leaders need to get under and lift others up, drawing out of them what Jesus
has deposited, rather than surround themselves with good
listeners/nodders/yesmen o Leaders should teach, but more by example than words
(who you are speaks more loudly than what you say...) o Leaders should be
transparent, allowing others to see the cracks in their life and how they go
get grace to deal with them o Normal church should be 1 Cor. 14:24ff;
Occasionally, a gathering could have the equivalent of a public
lecture/monologue/dialogue, with even more people in attendance. The kind of
world changing disciples are not best grown in a siddown/shuddup environ... o
Body life MUST revolve around a 24/7 mentality likened to: a group of allies,
band of bruddas and sistas, faith community, where the "meat and potatoes" of
our church life is dealing with stuff that everyone deals with! (Sin, raising
kids, marriage, money, outreach into other peoples lives, joining in various
ways with ALL the Body of Christ, business, etc.) o The "cake" of church life
must be allowing/affirming/encouraging everyone to be involved in the "one
anothers"; while the frosting might be larger song worship gatherings with a
pinch of public lecture [used to call these "sermons" :) ]. A diet of frosting
gets old real fast, even in a small house-like meeting. \ o Leaders must view
themselves as servants (really!), and not expect money, etc. Paul said, in
effect that he paid dearly for team that was with him. How 'bout elders that
give but refuse to take... Hmmmm, might be that we need a much higher caliber
of elder/shepherd/overseers as our leaders!!! o Real leaders are miners; they
help dig deep into people and see what treasures that the Holy Spirit has
deposited through their life story (the pain, rejection, joys, etc. that all go
through) and draw it out, so that all may be edified!

Sorry, even the summary is windy! I have not contributed much to this list, so
this makes up for it!!! blessings! bob!

Author: "The Way Church Ought to Be - Ninety-Five Propositions for a Return to
Radical Christianity" bob(--AT--)lund.com www.lund.com www.95theses2000.org
www.nogarbagebooks.com


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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:39:25 +0100
From:
Subject: Re: [NTCP] NTCP: RE Establishing the complete Lordship of Jesus

Dear David you wrote: How can we truly establish Jesus's Lordship over the
meeting so that He becomes more apparent than us, the ones who are speaking. I
hope that my answer will not be too simple. Stop speaking. In one of the
churches that we served, we were dealing with folk that largly came out of
institutional church situations. So after about six weeks of teaching, I
anounced that for the next six weeks that i wouldn't teach or minister, that I
would leave all of that to the Holy Spirit working through them. So for the
next six weeks, we had a time of worship, then I prayed for the Holy Spirit to
come, and i left what happened to HIM. What happened next varied from week to
week, often (normally) there were healings and deliverances bought about by
specific words of knowledge (I hadn't taught then that), sometimes there were
prophecies that were so detailed as to seem impossible. I remember one where a
person who had applied for a job was told, to ask after the interviewers family
as the wife was sick. The person got the job, the wife was healed and the
couple joined the church. the person giving the prophecy had been saved less
than ten weeks. often folk bought scriptures, as someone with not a few letters
picked up after my name at great effort, it was an education for me to see how
our great Teacher the Holy Spirit used humble folk to teach one another with
great authority. The hardest thing in all this was keeping silent myself. i
remember one week when a lady of 60 years old said that she felt the Lord was
calling her to study counselling so that she could work with me. From a meeting
of less than 15 people none of whom had known each other for more than about
two months, they put together enough money to pay for her to enter a
professional study programme. that same group supported her throughout her
training and although she doesn't work for me, she does work alongside the
christian psychologist that took over my work. I could go on. Needless to say
at the end of six weeks I was somewhat redundant, but i contined to have
contact with them until I moved here.

I use the same program whenever i gather folk for teaching or ministry. I
really do very little. God does it all. Isn't that what we want?

Love and blessings
Keith


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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:50:23 +0100
From:
Subject: [NTCP] Query

Can anyone tell me more about the "International, Bob Lund Evangelistic
Association to Convert the Gay Whales for Christ," as i minister to a fishing
community they might be just the help I need. ;)

Blessings
Keith


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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:26:03 EST
From: JAMESRUTZ
Subject: Re: [NTCP] Query

Keith,

The reason you never heard about the International Bob Lund Evangelistic
Association to Convert the Gay Whales for Christ is that it's listed as a
division of the James Rutz Interplanetary Crusade to Annihilate Nicolaitanism
and Clean Up Washington.

Jim Rutz
Colorado Springs


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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:45:36 +0100
From:
Subject: Re: [NTCP] Query

Thanks, i thought that it might be afiliated to the Mary Magdelen home for
pregnant Porpoises

Blessings and things from sunny Spain
keith


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Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:38:16 -0800
From: "bob"
Subject: RE: [NTCP] Query

Keith and Jim! You guys are crackups! Thanks for the levity!

I wanted to respond to Keith's points about the Holy Spirit's role in being the
Great Teacher. Since he cracked open the lid... Here goes...

I totally agree! What Keith is saying is exactly what is being said in 1
John2:27 (and 2:20). Every, and I mean every, church leader (especially church
planter)on this planet ought to chew long and slow on these Scriptures. I have
these highlighted in green marker, since I had absolutely no clue what they
meant from my BIOLA Baptist Bob worldview back in 1977. But now, oh now, the
sweet, sweet Holy Spirit who teaches all, all things that they need to know.

This gets a bit controversial... but, oh well..

When I confronted professors at BIOLA and Talbot years ago about the following
question, I never got an answer that I truly felt good about. The question is:
"Can Christians, who do not have the Scriptures in their language, become fully
mature in Christ..." Silence... and then the basic answer was: "Well, this is
why God brought Wycliffe Bible Translators on the scene." Ok, fine. But I knew
that wasn't going to cut it for the long haul. Believe me, I'm a Bible man! I
love the Scriptures; memorize mountainous portions, do enough Greek things to
be dangerous and have, as a goal to collect every english version of the Bible
ever printed (a sister just brought me a fairly worn Geneva Bible from Ireland
dated 1589! What a gift from my Lord!), but...

...the Bible is the MENU not the MEAL!

The meal is Jesus and the Zoe life that He imparts and that we are to impart,
yes?

YES!

This is why what brother Keith said is SOOOOOOO important! If leaders truly
shuttup and simply give affirmation, discernment and protection for the Body,
the GREAT HOLY SPIRIT will be loosed among them to do way more than any one man
could ever do, ministry wise. The people whom we lead/have influence in need to
learn how to commune with God; be quiet, hear His voice (not just someone's
sermons). This takes NOTHING away from the Scriptures in any way. We must
remember that we can know the Scriptures so well, but have nearly zero
relationship with the Lover who breathed those words (Gee, kinda like the
Pharisees who knew the O.T. backwards and forwards and basically were oblivious
to one of the few only real humungous events of history: the visitation of God
in the flesh in Jesus! People just cannot be so fixed on getting their ears
tickled, even if it is the truth, if they are not willing to walk in such a way
to receive the intimate fellowship with Jesus!

Not to long ago, I got all riled up and raised my voice in a gathering and
said, in effect, "Can you guys believe how great a teacher the Lord has sent us
in our sister Nancy? She doesn't teach much verbally, but she is an 'in our
face' lover who is endlessly praying, crying, hugging, prophesying into
EVERYONE who will sit still long enough." She is full of the Holy Spirit! For
many years she sat in an I.C. (that actually was technically
pentecostal/charismatic), but because the leaders were threateded by loss of
control, position, or who-knows-what would never allow this dear sister to be
released into the Body. She is a 'Rambette' in the Spirit and, I believe, is
nearly unstoppable!

So, brother Keith, I don't think what you said could be said better! Wolf
Simson recently echoed this point when he said that programs spring up when we
forget how to prophesy.

And we must remember that true, pure prophesy springs forth as part of the
Rivers of Living Water that Jesus spoke of in John 7:38,39. Lord Jesus, help us
live out what you prophesied in these Scriptures!

As church planters the greatest thing we can do for the cause of the kingdom is
to do exactly what keith is doing in Spain.

Keith, please do a prayer email over all of us who want more of that heart of
God imparted to us so that we'll know how much to speak and how much to
silently affirm and release those who have been entrusted into our care.
Please?

bob! in Oregon

Author: "The Way Church Ought to Be - Ninety-Five Propositions for a Return to
Radical Christianity" bob(--AT--)lund.com www.lund.com www.95theses2000.org
www.nogarbagebooks.com

Keith wrote:

Dear David you wrote: How can we truly establish Jesus's Lordship over the
meeting so that He becomes more apparent than us, the ones who are speaking.

I hope that my answer will not be too simple. Stop speaking. In one of the
churches that we served, we were dealing with folk that largly came out of
institutional church situations. So after about six weeks of teaching, I
anounced that for the next six weeks that i wouldn't teach or minister, that I
would leave all of that to the Holy Spirit working through them. So for the
next six weeks, we had a time of worship, then I prayed for the Holy Spirit to
come, and i left what happened to HIM. What happened next varied from week to
week, often (normally) there were healings and deliverances bought about by
specific words of knowledge (I hadn't taught then that), sometimes there were
prophecies that were so detailed as to seem impossible. I remember one where a
person who had applied for a job was told, to ask after the interviewers family
as the wife was sick. The person got the job, the wife was healed and the
couple joined the church. the person giving the prophecy had been saved less
than ten weeks. often folk bought scriptures, as someone with not a few letters
picked up after my name at great effort, it was an education for me to see how
our great Teacher the Holy Spirit used humble folk to teach one another with
great authority. The hardest thing in all this was keeping silent myself. i
remember one week when a lady of 60 years old said that she felt the Lord was
calling her to study counselling so that she could work with me. From a meeting
of less than 15 people none of whom had known each other for more than about
two months, they put together enough money to pay for her to enter a
professional study programme. that same group supported her throughout her
training and although she doesn't work for me, she does work alongside the
christian psychologist that took over my work. I could go on. Needless to say
at the end of six weeks I was somewhat redundant, but i contined to have
contact with them until I moved here.

I use the same program whenever i gather folk for teaching or ministry. I
really do very little. God does it all. Isn't that what we want?

Love and blessings
Keith

Hi David... Bob Lund here... Thought that I would toss in my 2 cents. This is a
great question and truly is worth all of us crunching through and processing.
I'll share a bit of theory and insight. First off, I believe that the Body
needs leaders. But, as you've pointed out so well, our models for leadership do
not generally come from New Testament, Apostolic revelation. Rather, we take
our concepts of leadership from our culture, religious tradition, etc. Thus, we
evoke images of generals, CEOs, warrior-Rambos, etc. Jesus said, in a few
nutshells that leadership in the Body will be genetically VERY diffierent that
that of the world. It will not be about being "over" others. It will truly be
about being "under" others, lifting them up, affirming them, cheering them on,
being a security guard (to help prevent the evil one from robbing their
heritage and derailing them through sin and unbelief), and a being a coach. Too
often in I.C. or house churches, as you've pointed out, the people we are
supposed to serve become a means to us building our "ministry." Put
differently, they become bricks for the "International, Bob Lund Evangelistic
Association to Convert the Gay Whales for Christ," rather than about God
dwelling in the temple that Bob Lund is merely another brick of. It takes a
special person to reject the leader glory that has become associated with
people following us (in I.C. or house Church)...

Even the non-leaders come to expect the above kind of cultural, non-apostolic
leadership; this compounds the problem. The people want a king, and, not
surprisingly, the guy likes the idea of being king... Non-leaders as well as
leaders need to re-align their theory and practice in this area; it's a huge
re-education process... that will surely take patience and time.

Leadership will also be about example. Surely Jesus and the apostles did their
share of talking/lecturing, both monologue and dialogue. BUT, the things that
are so precious of a heritage and so scarce in the church today (both I.C.
church and many house churches), are often better caught than taught. So much
so that many believe that just moving a meeting from a building to a smaller
living room will somehow address this issue. Sometimes it does not and people
simply create a miniature I.C. service, it's just that people are sitting on
couches instead of in pews. The leader(s) lecture and sort of orchestrate the
show, but it is in a living room. THIS IS NOT AT ALL WHAT JESUS AND THE
APOSTLES WERE TALKING ABOUT!!! People learn to be reproductive disciples by
being mentored by others more mature than them, and by becoming fitted into the
"temple" (Ephesians end of chap. 2) that God is creating. Leaders must give
attention to the "fittedness" that Paul speaks about. If we are exhorted to do
all the "one anothers" (there's over a dozen of them in the N.T.), just where
and when are we to do them? In a 1 1/2 hour "service" on a Sunday morning, or
even a 3 hour meeting in a home. Our gatherings are never less than 6 hours and
often go up to 10 hours. BUT this is still not enough time to do all that
should be done. Pray for one another, confess sins, worship in song a LONG
time, be quiet together and hear what Father is saying, have a meal, allow
people to share, prophesy, etc.

Yikes! Is there enough time!

Actually, less mature people need to be with leaders in real life settings. We
must admit that in I.C. and house-like settings, often we create a hermetically
sealed environ wherein we don't have spats with our spouses (the people we
mentor NEED to see us have a fight with our spouse, and see how we resolve it),
the kids are well-behaved under threat of dire consequences (the brethren need
to see how we react and handle it when little Johnnie dumbs spaghetti all over
our nice carpet). Pointedly, our church-life must be in real life as much as
possible. That's why I like to be involved in the marketplace. Those whom look
to me as an older brother need to see how I handle business deals that go sour,
where I'm tempted to lie about a product with exaggerated marketing, etc.

One practical thing that we do with the church and youth group, is ask, "what
did you bring today?" Referring to 1 Cor. 14 where everyone is pictured having
a puzzle piece for the gathering. I had to come to the place where I really
believed, and not just said, that EVERY christian is VITAL for the gathering to
be what God intends. Consequently, I have done very little teaching, apart from
little 5 and 10 minute ditties, for nearly a year. Sometimes it gets
uncomfortable when someone is not "taking charge" and making the show go on.
But, the sweet, sweet fruit of drawing out what the Father is doing out of
others, encouraging the quiet ones to share verses that touch them, dreams,
visions, feelings, etc., is that the Body truly begins to function as a Body.
This is juxtaposed to the frustration that we've all felt in having to do the
whole show, as a leader.

There is virtually an unlimited amount of variety, quality and quantity of
treasure that Jesus has deposited in Christians. One of the saddest things that
I have observed is to see people, full of Jesus, waste away on a pew or a couch
and not be affirmed, equipped, and TRULY released into their calling to
minister to the Body. All of us are called to set the captives free. There is
virtually an ocean of workers who, by virtue mostly of wrong leadership style,
have become muted and not equipped/affirmed/released. Jesus said, when
pondering a view of the harvest, that we need workers! Workers are grown by
being affirmed, equipped (by example and teaching), and most of all being truly
released... even if this usurps some of the power/position/paycheck of a leader
(yikes!).

In some gatherings we'll spend hours praying over one person so that they can
be repaired/affirmed/equipped/released to be a better "pipe" of grace from the
throne. Consequently, we have seen even young teens explode with boldness and
become ones who confidently minister to others! This is a blast! Where we ever
got the idea that the best talker is therefore the best pipe to heaven, I'll
never quite understand...

Sorry for being so windy... Here's a summary:

o Leaders need to get under and lift others up, drawing out of them what Jesus
has deposited, rather than surround themselves with good
listeners/nodders/yesmen

o Leaders should teach, but more by example than words (who you are speaks more
loudly than what you say...)

o Leaders should be transparent, allowing others to see the cracks in their
life and how they go get grace to deal with them

o Normal church should be 1 Cor. 14:24ff; Occasionally, a gathering could have
the equivalent of a public lecture/monologue/dialogue, with even more people in
attendance. The kind of world changing disciples are not best grown in a
siddown/shuddup environ...

o Body life MUST revolve around a 24/7 mentality likened to: a group of allies,
band of bruddas and sistas, faith community, where the "meat and potatoes" of
our church life is dealing with stuff that everyone deals with! (Sin, raising
kids, marriage, money, outreach into other peoples lives, joining in various
ways with ALL the Body of Christ, business, etc.)

o The "cake" of church life must be allowing/affirming/encouraging everyone to
be involved in the "one anothers"; while the frosting might be larger song
worship gatherings with a pinch of public lecture [used to call these "sermons"
:) ]. A diet of frosting gets old real fast, even in a small house-like
meeting. \

o Leaders must view themselves as servants (really!), and not expect money,
etc. Paul said, in effect that he paid dearly for team that was with him. How
'bout elders that give but refuse to take... Hmmmm, might be that we need a
much higher caliber of elder/shepherd/overseers as our leaders!!!

o Real leaders are miners; they help dig deep into people and see what
treasures that the Holy Spirit has deposited through their life story (the
pain, rejection, joys, etc. that all go through) and draw it out, so that all
may be edified!

Sorry, even the summary is windy! I have not contributed much to this list, so
this makes up for it!!!

blessings!
bob!


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