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New Testament Church Proliferation Digest Tuesday, April 2 2002 Vol 02 : 065
Re: [NTCP] Legitimate church planting
Re: [NTCP] Legitimate church planting
[NTCP] Your God is too Safe
Re: [NTCP] Legitimate church planting
Re: [NTCP] Legitimate church planting
Re: [NTCP] What is 'PREACHING'?
Re: [NTCP] What is 'PREACHING'?

Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:40:00 +0200
From:
Subject: Re: [NTCP] Legitimate church planting

Link,

I wanted to say this too but I think Michael says it right, so why repeat.
Blessings to you too Michael,

Keith

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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 14:23:06 -0500
From: "Samuel Buick"
Subject: Re: [NTCP] Legitimate church planting

Good thread here!

I am reminded of the words of Jesus when some of the disciples were angry that
others were going about proclaiming the Kingdom and doing ministry in the name
of Jesus. They wanted the Lord to bring down fire from heaven and put a stop
to what was taking place. Jesus on the other hand saw the passion and
sincerity of those engaged in extending the Kingdom.

There is tension in trying to comprehend what is genuine or legitimate. We
need to be cautious in our approach to this whole endeavor.

We have deliberately focussed on RELATIONSHIP and VISION and VALUES as a means
to identify who we are and what we currently understand the Lord speaking to us
as well as the values that will guide us and direct us as we move forward by
faith under the leading of the Spirit.

We have had some people literally take offence that some of our fellowship have
been set apart as elders. The Lord clearly placed these people in a position
of servanthood to the rest of not only the house church network but also the
city wide church in our area. I have discovered how jealousy can cause so much
damage in the Body of Christ. I have suffered much at the hands of disgruntled
people who have continuously used and abused other fellowships and people with
their agenda of 'needs'.

In regards to planting house churches we have refused to plant one or recognize
a plant that is not birthed by the Spirit from among the fellowship. I have had
one 'lone ranger' who was determined to plant a house church. He went off and
comes back once in a while, but as of yet nothing has materialized. He neither
wanted others to join with him and wife, and essentially said that they were
pursuing it on their own. The one thing we had enjoyed was intimate
relationship, and he has thrown that away along with any supports for planting
the house church.

I have had one man leave who sowed dissension in the fellowship. He stirred up
a lot of stuff in the guise of body ministry, but eventually enough was enough,
and one brother, the elder at the house church the other man continually
visited had to confront him. So we confronted him and he confessed that he
really had no desire to plant house churches and that his heart was in the
institutional church ! Made us all ask him what he was doing in our midst when
he knew we were not pursuing being an institutional church .

I say all this in believing that we must keep RELATIONSHIP and VISION and
VALUES in focus as we see the Spirit building up the Body. As the Spirit
reveals to us people who are in deep relationship with us, and imparts gifts to
them, and sets them apart and gives them vision, then we need to recognize what
the Spirit is doing and come alongside and pray and intercede for the plans and
purposes the Lord has for them. We cannot be too hasty in jumping in the
planting of house churches. We need to pray, wait, and listen, and when the
Spirit speaks, we need to obey and release and bless those going out to plant
another house church.

Blessings,

Sam

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:17:25 -0500
From: "Dan Shepherd"
Subject: [NTCP] Your God is too Safe

This is not an advertisement...(although I should get some sort of payment for
my glowing recommendation)

I'm reading one of the best books out today called "Your God is too Safe" by
Mark Buchanan. I bought it just based on title.... but the book is amazing.
It's made me really examine my misconceptions about God and my relationship
with Him.

You can check out a summary here... but I recommend buying this book for your
library and maybe one for a friend

http://www.christianbooksummaries.com/library/v2/cbs0208.pdf

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:31:25 EST
From: TheologusCrucis
Subject: Re: [NTCP] Legitimate church planting

Link,

Dear brother... Flee, flee, flee!

>>The pastor sort of rambled
on about the importance of being creative, letting your hair down and mentioned
that certain people should be free to let their hair grow out. He didn't open
up the Bible.

I guess he wasn't really preaching. He'd been doing prophetic ministry teaching
for weeks. He called up about ten leaders to give personal words. My wife and I
got a lot of words. Some of them seemed to be potentially true.

I guess the preacher didn't really have a sermon. Just some preliminary
remarks. I didn't think being creative and 'free' in the way he was talking
about was all that important, and was waiting for him to crack open a Bible.
(That's usually what the preacher does in that situation.)Link,

Dear brother... Flee, flee, flee!

>>The pastor sort of rambled
on about the importance of being creative, letting your hair down and mentioned
that certain people should be free to let their hair grow out. He didn't open
up the Bible.

I guess he wasn't really preaching. He'd been doing prophetic ministry teaching
for weeks. He called up about ten leaders to give personal words. My wife and I
got a lot of words. Some of them seemed to be potentially true.

I guess the preacher didn't really have a sermon. Just some preliminary
remarks. I didn't think being creative and 'free' in the way he was talking
about was all that important, and was waiting for him to crack open a Bible.
(That's usually what the preacher does in that situation.)

Link, I believe that the church is the church when the Word is preached by one
called by gift (Eph. 4), and the two established sacraments are firmly
practiced. No Word, no emphasis on baptism, and no Lord's Supper means no Body.
The church is the church in an institutional church setting and in a house
church setting when you can say, "Here is our Elder(s), there's our Deacon(s),
and here are the gifts given by an ascending Savior building up and equipping
the church. Here's our Body, where each one has a gift that is given for the
benefit for others. Our worship is centered on God, and not us, His actions
instead of our reactions."

Please, brother, be very careful of "prophetic" Words where the Word isn't
preached...

I'll definitely be praying for you, and for the future of your ministry here in
the States. Watch out -- Christianity in America is at a lower ebb than it was
in Europe before the Reformation!

TC

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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 00:10:30 -0500
From: jferris
Subject: Re: [NTCP] Legitimate church planting

Richard Wright wrote:

>Paul's main concern was that Jesus be preached. He also appeared to leave the
>policing up to God, saying only that false teachers would be "accursed".
>
>In addition, he always encouraged people to weigh what was being taught, and
>to stay away from false teachers.


"For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among
you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking
perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and
remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night
and day with tears." Acts 20:29-31

Dear Richard,

It looks to me like Paul was just a little more concerned about the division of
the Body than you have suggested, and for as long as he was around, was fairly
effective in keeping it together.

More than one new creation superimposed on the same geography of the old
creation does not witness the truth about God, it witnesses a fraud. The
Scriptures indicate a very strong geographical constraint on the unity of the
Body, as well as a very clear example of its violation, "high places at the
head of every way". The world really doesn't need more monuments to our
inability to get along.

Yours in Christ,

Jay

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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 10:12:34 -0500
From: "Samuel Buick"
Subject: Re: [NTCP] What is 'PREACHING'?

Hey TC!

What do you mean by 'preaching'? If you mean the stuff we hear week in and
week out at the traditional institutional church , I think you are 'dead wrong'
if that is what the body must ENDURE! When Paul 'preached' it was an
interactive dialogue, and not a one person, everyone else be quiet monologue!
Most of our preaching style today is based on the greco-roman style of
rhetoric, of a person trying to prove a point. Not exactly body participation
is it? No, the kind of preaching that we need to recover to go along with the
Lord's table as part of a real meal deal, not the 'holy snack' the
institutional church has continually propagated, and the full participation of
not only what you call 'elders' and 'deacons' for you can have legitimate
church WITHOUT those 'offices'. Paul himself declared that we ought NOT be
hasty in appointing elders (doesn't say anything about them being 'voted in'
either. In my understanding the apostles appointed elders of the churches they
planted). I have real concerns about 'preaching' when it does not allow for
response, dialogue and interaction.

Blessings,

Sam

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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 14:39:09 -0500
From: "Dan Shepherd"
Subject: Re: [NTCP] What is 'PREACHING'?

I'm often reminded of Francis of Assisi's famous words: "Preach the Gospel at
all times. When necessary, use words." As much as scripture says about faith
coming by hearing and hearing by the word of God, it says an equal amount about
being an example to other brethren (and future brethren) in word and deed. So
with that said... I would want to broaden the definition of preaching as
interaction with other people that clearly conveys the whole of the Gospel...
the life, ministry, teaching, sacrifice and example of our Lord and Savior.


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