New Testament Church Proliferation Digest Friday, June 7 2002 Vol 02 : 100[NTCP] ---> Hey Michael <---
[NTCP] Great posts lately
[NTCP] Spiritual Bankrupcy in the CHurch
Subject: [NTCP] ---> Hey Michael
>It demonstrates that we've passed beyond the phase of diplomatic niceties and
>branched out into *true* dialogue with honest communication-- something I
>personally value more than almost anything else in the world.
Dear dialogue-loving friend,
(First, I refuse to respond today under the heading of "Structure vs. Life" as
these elements are perfectly compatible and complementary in God's economy. If
the NT contained nothing but the one order to "Do this in remembrance of Me"
that alone would constitute structure and yes - even liturgy - according to its
true meaning. But I digress...)
Well, wish I could take the rest of the day off and respond to your heavy
message, Mike, but unfortunately several others are yanking on my chain right
now. They are my kids so everyone/everything else can just "take a number."
~~~ Of course you are welcome on this list, brother ~~~ Think nothing more of
it. We have our disagreements but our friendship and fellowship is solid as a
Rock - the Rock.
We'll be praying for you during these difficult hours. Let us know when your
tests are over and we'll celebrate with you. After that, we might even wrestle
some more. :-)
ybiC in 10 S E,
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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:51:56 -0700
From: "Brittian's Mail"
Subject: [NTCP] Great posts lately
Truly I must say that these posts of late have been spectacular. Michael, I am
not entirely in agreement with you, but does that matter, as it was your heart
that came out, that being...you desire to know the Lord in Spirit and truth (I
am assuming that truth here is more than knowledge or intellectual stimulant,
but instead a real experiencing, as Weiss says "experiencial knowledge"), and
that came through lound and clear which is awesome!
Jay, I must say once again I was so blessed by your post, how true that rock
throwers when they encounter Jesus are forced to do one of two things, one by
one trickle away muttering to themselves about human notions of "justice", or
fall on their knees and worship. Either way those who have a real experience
of our Lord don't end up throwing stones much longer. More than that the
difference between the dead and soulish life of the world system (which
includes the religous system) verses the highest life which is that of the
Father and which we are called into, man thats powerful stuff!!!!
Thanks everyone for sharing.
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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:38:22 EDT
Subject: [NTCP] Spiritual Bankrupcy in the CHurch
It's a holy day and a grand time to be alive! Hi everyone. The landscapers cut
my modem cable on Tuesday, so I've been offline. Now we are up and running
again, and I'd like to offer a few thoughts for your consideration about an
aspect of laying the right foundation in the church.
When we are planting new churches or investing our energies to equip the saints
it's no less than critical to lay the foundation of Jesus Christ alone, ie.,
fellowshiping with our living God, is it not? It's something Jay said that
really provoked me to this thought:
In a message dated 06/03/2002 7:17:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>When we begin to love on the horizontal, we discover how totally bankrupt we
>are where the Love of God is concerned. As your first link states so well, if
>we have tasted the Love of God coming at us, we will very soon be driven to
>Him in desperation that we might find the Love of God coming from us to each
>other and to the lost. I believe that true worship is agreeing with God, first
>about His Son, then about each other, finally about the lost.
I just loved that, Jay. I find it so true. When we get past needing
deliverance in outward areas such as drunkenness, drug abuse, smoking, etc, .
.. . and begin to think that we're 'pretty good Christians,' most of us
typically need a reality check, because pride and other things that work
against intimacy with God are not as visible as those obvious things
Generally, the company line (in the church) is that we must be in the church
because it's God's idea. HE SAYS, "do not forsake the assembling of yourselves
together, " but why does He say that? Is it just so that we obey him and give
Him a testimony of believers here on earth so that more and more will be saved
and more and more will enter the Kingdom of Heaven?
Forgive my rhetorical question, but I believe He calls us to the church for
many more reasons than that, and we need to be 'planting' and building with
these reasons in mind.
I believe He calls us to the Church because He loves us and wants to fellowship
with us. Like Jay said, relating to each other sends us running to our Lord
because we discover how totally bankrupt we are where the love of God is
concerned. This very practical proving ground (the church) is the tangible
place that we experience our need for our Lord. It sends us running to His
I think that's where He wants us. Blessings, In the Lamb, Stephanie
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for further development....
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