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New Testament Church Proliferation Digest Friday, June 14 2002 Vol 02 : 103
[NTCP] Hung over on Sunday morning?
Re: [NTCP] Hung over on Sunday morning?
Re[2]: [NTCP] Hung over on Sunday morning?
[NTCP] a time for monologue and dialogue

Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:39:29 -0400
From: forwarded
Subject: [NTCP] Hung over on Sunday morning?

Seems to be some server probs today which I believe are downstream from us in
the internet backbone. Mail list's are regarded as "bulk mail" and are
sometimes delayed, even for many hours.

Btw, emails to our lists are not screened for content or pre-approved. Inbound
mail is only screened for a recognizable address and size, lest a virus be
hurled at us.

Remember, use ONLY your address which the list recognizes and send to the exact
address: ntcp or house church-talk

Link is doing fine, just had some computer probs at his new location.

Thanks D. Anderson, mail forwarder

From: balaamsass51(--AT--) (BalaamsAss51) Newsgroups:

>Luther's Life was well documented. Anybody know anything about this

>>instance: "Why do we meet at approximately 11 a.m. for something called
>>morning worship every Sunday?" Well I have heard two stories to explain why
>>we meet at that time. One was that Martin Luther being a Saturday night
>>drinker just couldn't get up for the early services and thus slept in.

Well, it makes a good story. Certainly Father Luther was able to down good
Lutheran beverages with the best of them. But his sermon and lecture output
would not be possible for a drunkard, which is what this story seems to imply.

We have about 2,300 sermons of Martins. For some specific years - 1522 138
sermons, 1524 100 sermons, 1528 190 sermons, 1531 180 sermons, 1534 80 sermons,
1538 100 sermons. Plus lectures, writings, etc. He would occasionally preach
2,3, or 4 times a week. Often during Lent he would have 2 sermons and a lecture
each day.

Roland Herbert Bainton (author of several books about Luther) says in regards
to the preaching schedule in Wittenberg: "The reformers at Wittenberg undertook
an extensive campaign of religious instruction through the sermon. There were
three public services on Sunday: from five to six in the morning on the Pauline
epistles, from nine to ten on the Gospels, and in the afternoon at a variable
hour on a continuation of the theme of the morning or on the catechism. The
church was not locked during the week, but on Mondays and Tuesdays there were
sermons on the catechism, Wednesdays on the Gospel of Matthew, Thursdays and
Fridays on the apostolic letters, and Saturday evening on John's Gospel. No one
man carried this entire load. There was a staff of the clergy, but Luther's
share was prodigious. Including family devotions he spoke often four times on
Sundays and quarterly undertook a two-week series four days a week on the

So, a good story, but without much truth in it I would imagine.

Pax. Col. 2:7,8

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:51:54 -0400
From: "Samuel Buick"
Subject: Re: [NTCP] Hung over on Sunday morning?

LUTHER and origin of time of Sunday worship

Actually the story is not fictional at all.

Both James Rutz and Gene Edwards and a German biographer (his name escapes me
right now but I will get it) mention this very story. Rutz mentions it in his
book, THE OPEN CHURCH, and Edwards in several of his books.

The story goes that Luther used to have what he called TABLE TALKS (incidently
that is why RC Sproul from Ligonier Ministries has a small devotional called
'table talk') where he would open his home to students and people of all kinds
and would sit down on Saturday nights and study, and discuss the Bible and
theology and the issues of the day. It was interactive and there was very much
beer and cheese and the discussions went to the wee hours of the morning.

Originally the services in the Middle Ages were at 7 in the morning. Katherine,
Luther's wife, asked Luther to move the service start times as he got older,
and his drinking and debating increased. The service moved to 8, and then 9,
and then 10, until it was settled at 11, where it has remained for ad infinitum

The story is true. It is not fiction.

Sam Buick

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:01:26 -0400
From: Richard Wright
Subject: Re[2]:
[NTCP] Hung over on Sunday morning?

Hello Samuel,

Thursday, June 13, 2002, 11:51:54 AM, you wrote:

>LUTHER and origin of time of Sunday worship

>Actually the story is not fictional at all.

Where do I sign up? :) (for ICQ?)

- -- Dick Phil.3:12-14

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Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:49:51 -0400
From: David Anderson
Subject: [NTCP] a
time for monologue and dialogue

Jay picked up broken piece of slate and chiseled these words:

>Since discovering that, we have been careful not to dominate the time in the
>meeting with our own teaching.

Me too, Jay man. I go to each meeting with the self-reminder that I will not
dominate things or even participate in such a way that another person may be
squelched. I really get a thrill out of watching timid-types open up. I don't
usually open up meself till things get very quiet.

Musician Pete Townsend is a short fellow but jumps very high on stage. As he
strums his guitar some say he resembles a windmill. He does great solo and lead
work but apparently prefers to step aside and bring the best out in others. Is
there not a lesson here for the saints and for their meetings?

"I don't think I even approach being a lead player; I think I'm very much a
part of a band and a riff-maker. I enjoy backing people up and letting people
ride on top... I'm musically happiest when I feel I'm driving everyone else to
do good things, when I'm not being the pin man." The Guitar Handbook. p 88.

Truly, sometimes the children of this world are wiser than the saints ...

Didja see in today's news where a few "lay people" were finally getting to open
their mouths at the big Catholic Bishop's Conference? Is this the latter day
glory or what?

David Anderson

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