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NT Church Proliferation Digest Saturday, September 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 165
Re: [NTCP] re: elder designates their age - pastoring, their role
RE: [NTCP] Wolves as pastors
Re: [NTCP] re: elder designates their age - pastoring, their role
[NTCP] Serving the aged and infirm - praise God!

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:08:05 -0400
From: jferris <jferris154 * mac>
Subject: Re: [NTCP] re: elder designates their age - pastoring, their role

Dear David, Mike, Link, and others who have contributed to this thread,

I think the direction seems to be hopeful, It is interesting, however,
that there seems to be a lingering aversion to office, while insisting
at the same time that Pastor and elder mean the same thing, and carry
the same weight.

No notice seems to have been taken that the continuation of the
recognition of elders from the Old Testament practice to the New
Testament must necessarily have undergone a transition from, in the
first instance, recognition of men after the flesh, and in the last
instance the recognition of men after the Spirit.

It is this difference which makes appointment helpful, We are talking
about spiritual men over seeing spiritual matters, I am using men in a
gender neutral sense, but perhaps its use will, none the less keep my
male chauvinist friends a bay for the brief period of my observations.

"For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order
the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had
appointed thee: If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having
faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. For a bishop must be
blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not
given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; But a lover of
hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; Holding
fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by
sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. For there
are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the
circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses,
teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. One of
themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are always
liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. This witness is true. Wherefore
rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving
heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the
truth. Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled
and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is
defiled. They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him,
being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
Titus 1:5-16

I quote the passage in its entirety, because I believe it indicates the
nature of an elder's commission. Jesus' first escatological concern was
that those who were His would not be deceived. There would come much
that would be false. Elders are those who are set in place to keep their
eyes open for things that are false.

The fact that "... the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double
honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine." 1 Timothy
5:17, is an indication that it is possible to "rule well", without
necessarily teaching and preaching. They are set in place to oversee,
not overdo or even overspeak.

As Paul instructs those in Corinth, "...I beseech you, brethren, (ye
know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and
that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,) That
ye submit yourselves unto such, and to every one that helpeth with us,
and laboureth."I Corinthians 16:15,16

Ruling in the Kingdom of God, is not about imposition, it is about
submission. It works by submission. It is "age" related. Everything alse
being equal, the youngers are to be in submission to those who are
older. most of the time even spiritual maturity is more likely to be
found in those you are older than in those who are younger.

It's not the one who does most of the talking who rules in the Kingdom
On the contrary, it is more likely to be the one who talks the least.
One mark of maturity among the mature is that they have learned to be
quick to hear but slow to speak. The less mature can be easily discerned
as those who are slow to hear , and quick to speak.

Yours in Christ,

Jay


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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 06:14:02 -0400
From: "Richard Wright" <wright47 * sc.rr>
Subject: RE: [NTCP] Wolves as pastors

TC,

Jesus' physical resurrection is central to our salvation because it
demonstrates that His work was acceptable to the Father as complete.
Therefore the ground (grave) could not hold Him. To reject it is to
reject the testimony of over five hundred people, and God Himself.

You might read a book called, "Evidence that demands a verdict". It was
written by a man who set out to debunk the notion of Jesus'
resurrection. The evidence of a physical resurrection became so
overwhelming he was compelled to repent and ask for salvation. He states
there is more evidence that Jesus rose from the dead then there is of
Napoleon Bonapartes' existence.

Blessings,

Dick
Phil.3:12-14


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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:51:08 +0200
From: "Deborah" <deborah.millier * juccampus>
Subject: Re: [NTCP] re: elder designates their age - pastoring, their role

I am really enjoying this discussion, especially David A.'s, Link H.'s and
Mike S.'s contributions. I'm impressed with the desire to dig deep and find
out what the word is actually saying. I wish I could "chime in," but I've
got no time right now. Perhaps that's a good thing! I'm preparing
curriculum for a trip to Manila, Philippines to do a training seminar
helping to equip Christian Filipinos-- those coming to work in Israel as
in-house care-givers to the aged and infirm-- how to more effectively share
their faith in Jesus with Jews. The training will consist of modern Hebrew
training, Messianic prophecy, and Israeli worldview/cultural issues, so that
the incoming Filipino witnesses can better contextualize their faith.
Please be in prayer for this seminar (Sep. 30-Oct. 4) and for those future
seminars we hope will result from this first one. Blessings and ...
Shalom from Jerusalem,
Michael


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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:01:30 -0400
From: David Anderson <david * housechurch>
Subject: [NTCP] Serving the aged and infirm - praise God!

>I am really enjoying this discussion, especially David A.'s, Link H.'s and
>Mike S.'s contributions. I'm impressed with the desire to dig deep and find
>out what the word is actually saying. I wish I could "chime in," but I've
>got no time right now. Perhaps that's a good thing! I'm preparing
>curriculum for a trip to Manila, Philippines to do a training seminar
>helping to equip Christian Filipinos-- those coming to work in Israel as
>in-house care-givers to the aged and infirm-- how to more effectively share
>their faith in Jesus with Jews. The training will consist of modern Hebrew
>training, Messianic prophecy, and Israeli worldview/cultural issues, so that
>the incoming Filipino witnesses can better contextualize their faith.
>Please be in prayer for this seminar (Sep. 30-Oct. 4) and for those future
>seminars we hope will result from this first one. Blessings and ...
>Shalom from Jerusalem,
>-- MICHAEL

My prayers are ascending, brother. You can just chime in later - most all
of us have to "steal time" to participate.

fam.van.delft * tiscali.nl Mike, that's the address of a family visiting
somewhere in Israel, hoping to serve the Lord there. I found their name
on the home church newsgroup. Greta and Cor.

in the service of His Majesty,

David Anderson

 


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