NT Church Proliferation Digest Friday, October 4 2002 Volume 02 : Number 173Re: [NTCP] "call to preach"
Re: [NTCP] House Church Venom (Steve A. replies.)
Re: [NTCP] House Church Venom
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:05:45 -0400
From: "Link Hudson" <Linkh * mcdowell.main.nc.us>
Subject: Re: [NTCP] "call to preach"
Interesting topic, Dave.
I grew up in Pentecostalism, where the 'call to preach' puts one in the
clergy caste, usually in the role of 'pastor.'
In recent years, something that has really stood out to me about the
qualifications for elders is that nowhere does the Bible teach that they
have to be 'called to preach' and yet these men are to make decisions
concerning the affairs fo the church.
The Bible does speak of a man desiring to be a bishop. We assume the Lord
has prepared such a man's heart. Some might consider this to be a call.
But when we hear the word 'call' many of us think of Paul's emphasis on his
own call, and his own experience of hearing Christ speak to Him on the road
Maybe 'the call' is emphasized so much because Wesley emphasized it. His
ministry was similar in some ways to Paul's-- itinerant, evangelistic,
involving getting set up in mutually accountable communities.
I do believe that the Lord gifts the various members of His body, and lets
certain members know what they should do in terms of serving him. He may
have some separated to a work. We are all 'called' as the verse you quoted
points out. Not all are called to be apostles, but we are all called.
I'm not against the idea of being 'called' to a ministry, but I think the
idea has been overemphasized. We would do better to focus on Biblical
requirements for elders than to look for men to be 'called to preach' to
automatically be treated as elders. If a man is called to preach, does that
make him an elder?
The idea that being 'called to preach' or minister in some other way also
has been used to further the clergy-laity division. All believers are
called. All have gifts.
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:52:45 -0400
From: forwarded <forwarded * homechurch>
Subject: Re: [NTCP] House Church Venom (Steve A. replies.)
from Steve Atkerson,
Dave Anderson forwarded to me some of the posts between you and John
White re house churches.
First, I am writing to say, I feel your pain! Some of the more extreme
and unbalanced folks in the so-called house church movement are really a
cause for alarm and have blackened the reputational eye of home churches
so much so that I shy away from openly flying under that flag now, though
I am still very much a part of and a believer in home based and home
I live in Atlanta (Tucker). I was a southern baptist pastor throughout
the 1980s and left in 1990 to work with churches that seek to closely
follow NT patterns for church life, one small aspect of which is home
I'd like to talk with you more about the traditions of the apostles and
the blessings that can be ours by holding to their way of doing things.
You may find our web site of interest: www.ntrf
I am also writing to urge you not to "throw out the house church baby
with the bath water"! If you'd like to talk/cuss/or discuss this more,
feel free to phone me at 404-351-6340 M-F, 8-10 a.m.
Jesus is Wonderful!
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Vanessa DiDomenico <van3hijos * yahoo>
Subject: Re: [NTCP] House Church Venom
Dear John and brothers and sisters,
If this man were really doing God's work, he would try to get 200,000
people to donate in order to feed the hungry, help the orphans and widows,
or maybe build a school or hospital in a needy country. God cares little
for 'church buildings'. He cares more for people than for buildings.
Vanessa from Venezuela
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